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		<title>By: Suza</title>
		<link>http://www.ojaipost.com/2010/07/ovn-reporting-kersnar-dismissed/comment-page-1/#comment-23072</link>
		<dc:creator>Suza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Johnny Chingas,

I wrote you a nice reply a little while ago, but it is awaiting moderation. 

Best wishes,

Suza</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Johnny Chingas,</p>
<p>I wrote you a nice reply a little while ago, but it is awaiting moderation. </p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Suza</p>
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		<title>By: Suza</title>
		<link>http://www.ojaipost.com/2010/07/ovn-reporting-kersnar-dismissed/comment-page-1/#comment-23071</link>
		<dc:creator>Suza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Madam President,

Thank you for your witty and eloquent defense! 

Love,

Suza</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Madam President,</p>
<p>Thank you for your witty and eloquent defense! </p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>Suza</p>
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		<title>By: Suza</title>
		<link>http://www.ojaipost.com/2010/07/ovn-reporting-kersnar-dismissed/comment-page-1/#comment-23070</link>
		<dc:creator>Suza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Johnny Chingas,

I almost missed our Comment--read it just now.

You are so right that the  position of City Manager is &quot;pretty responsible. It takes a lot of qualification and experience.&quot;

I was aware that &quot;The article linked states that if the position was terminated outside the 90-day window, then Kersnar would be entitled to 9 months of severance.&quot;  

My Comment was spontaneous and not well thought out.  I was thinking (admittedly unrealistically) that even though he was let go, since he was still being paid, he could put in some more hours. Just to be nice!  And it&#039;s possible that the transition process involves some work on his part. 

For what it&#039;s worth, I attend almost every single City Council meeting and the ones I miss I watch on video, so I have had a chance to observe Mr. Kersnar over the years.   I have regular converstions with people who work with the City. So while I don&#039;t know what tipped the scales,  it&#039;s only natural to speculate when information is not provided, as is the case here. 

I don&#039;t really understand your other questions so will let those be.

I have one other bone to pick and that is this statement: 

&quot;It is not an interchangeable function with loads of candidates who are up to speed in a month or two, like a Jiffy Lube technician, or a yoga instructor.&quot;

I do not know how much training it takes to be a Jiffy Lube technician but it takes on average eight years  to become a Certified Iyengar Yoga Teacher (four years of personal practice and attending classes plus four years of formal teacher training that may include courses by medical doctors, physical therapists, other health professionals, anatomy, physiology, etc) at the Introductory Level.  The Intermediate and Advanced certificates take on average ten to twenty years (often much longer).

The old days of getting a yoga teaching certificate over the week-end are fading away. Today&#039;s Registered Yoga Teachers, thanks to National Organizations like Yoga Alliance, have gone through thousands of hours of training for a minimum of four years. 

I hope you understand why I might like to point this out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Johnny Chingas,</p>
<p>I almost missed our Comment&#8211;read it just now.</p>
<p>You are so right that the  position of City Manager is &#8220;pretty responsible. It takes a lot of qualification and experience.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was aware that &#8220;The article linked states that if the position was terminated outside the 90-day window, then Kersnar would be entitled to 9 months of severance.&#8221;  </p>
<p>My Comment was spontaneous and not well thought out.  I was thinking (admittedly unrealistically) that even though he was let go, since he was still being paid, he could put in some more hours. Just to be nice!  And it&#8217;s possible that the transition process involves some work on his part. </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I attend almost every single City Council meeting and the ones I miss I watch on video, so I have had a chance to observe Mr. Kersnar over the years.   I have regular converstions with people who work with the City. So while I don&#8217;t know what tipped the scales,  it&#8217;s only natural to speculate when information is not provided, as is the case here. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really understand your other questions so will let those be.</p>
<p>I have one other bone to pick and that is this statement: </p>
<p>&#8220;It is not an interchangeable function with loads of candidates who are up to speed in a month or two, like a Jiffy Lube technician, or a yoga instructor.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not know how much training it takes to be a Jiffy Lube technician but it takes on average eight years  to become a Certified Iyengar Yoga Teacher (four years of personal practice and attending classes plus four years of formal teacher training that may include courses by medical doctors, physical therapists, other health professionals, anatomy, physiology, etc) at the Introductory Level.  The Intermediate and Advanced certificates take on average ten to twenty years (often much longer).</p>
<p>The old days of getting a yoga teaching certificate over the week-end are fading away. Today&#8217;s Registered Yoga Teachers, thanks to National Organizations like Yoga Alliance, have gone through thousands of hours of training for a minimum of four years. </p>
<p>I hope you understand why I might like to point this out!</p>
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		<title>By: Madam President</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madam President</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things: (1) Leave Suza be, you ignor-amus-es [-ani?] Her tone is consistently courteous; her opinions and viewpoints (most of which I wholly disagree with, by the by) consistently presented diplomatically; and, perhaps most importantly, SHE CONSISTENTLY EMPLOYS GOOD SPELLING AND GRAMMAR.  
(2) It’s the CITY ATTORNEY/rhymes-with-”Wonte-Midders,” who needs, um—how would Suza say this? Rhymes-with-”kit-shanning?!”
Probably not, but that’s how I&#039;D say it.  I mean, really: How is it that an attorney who almost singlehandedly embodies the reason there are so many lawyer jokes represents THIS so-called Valhalla? 
Indeed, “Wonte” is a consummate double-dipper—a fact that was most flagrantly in evidence during the City’s ill-advised “affordable housing” project’s planning stages. A fact SO evident I can hardly believe that, to date, no one’s come forth with home videos of “Wonte’s” off-camera, sotto voce chats with one of CEDC’s key players during City Council meeting “breaks.” (At the time, “Wonte” ALSO represented [perhaps still DOES represent?] above-mentioned key player, a.k.a., a MAJOR STAKEHOLDER in the projects, er, Project. (Although, in the years since Pearl &amp; Bald Streets were made over into an “affordable housing” neighborhood, I see what Suza meant when she warned us 15 years ago about “Kar-ma-geddon” coming to town. Hell, even the local kooks then-against the Project were proved right: Not only have the units been sublet-to-the-hilt [in direct violation of the Rules for Tenancy], they have done absolutely ZILCH to improve the “quality of life” for LOWER INCOME, LOCALLY EMPLOYED RESIDENTS.)
In sum, “Midders, Esq.,” MUST GO!
Even if the fact that he thinks “pro bono” is a page out of the Kama Sutra speaks more to our fair City’s systemic corruption than it does to his stupidity…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things: (1) Leave Suza be, you ignor-amus-es [-ani?] Her tone is consistently courteous; her opinions and viewpoints (most of which I wholly disagree with, by the by) consistently presented diplomatically; and, perhaps most importantly, SHE CONSISTENTLY EMPLOYS GOOD SPELLING AND GRAMMAR.<br />
(2) It’s the CITY ATTORNEY/rhymes-with-”Wonte-Midders,” who needs, um—how would Suza say this? Rhymes-with-”kit-shanning?!”<br />
Probably not, but that’s how I&#8217;D say it.  I mean, really: How is it that an attorney who almost singlehandedly embodies the reason there are so many lawyer jokes represents THIS so-called Valhalla?<br />
Indeed, “Wonte” is a consummate double-dipper—a fact that was most flagrantly in evidence during the City’s ill-advised “affordable housing” project’s planning stages. A fact SO evident I can hardly believe that, to date, no one’s come forth with home videos of “Wonte’s” off-camera, sotto voce chats with one of CEDC’s key players during City Council meeting “breaks.” (At the time, “Wonte” ALSO represented [perhaps still DOES represent?] above-mentioned key player, a.k.a., a MAJOR STAKEHOLDER in the projects, er, Project. (Although, in the years since Pearl &amp; Bald Streets were made over into an “affordable housing” neighborhood, I see what Suza meant when she warned us 15 years ago about “Kar-ma-geddon” coming to town. Hell, even the local kooks then-against the Project were proved right: Not only have the units been sublet-to-the-hilt [in direct violation of the Rules for Tenancy], they have done absolutely ZILCH to improve the “quality of life” for LOWER INCOME, LOCALLY EMPLOYED RESIDENTS.)<br />
In sum, “Midders, Esq.,” MUST GO!<br />
Even if the fact that he thinks “pro bono” is a page out of the Kama Sutra speaks more to our fair City’s systemic corruption than it does to his stupidity…</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Chingas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Chingas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 02:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suza, the position of City Manager is pretty responsible.  It takes a lot of qualification and experience.  Jere Kersnar was selected from a field of 67.  The selected candidate has to move their family, and make a serious commitment to the new job and community.

It is not an interchangeable function with loads of candidates who are up to speed in a month or two, like a Jiffy Lube technician, or a yoga instructor.

The article linked states that if the position was terminated outside the 90-day window, then Kersnar would be entitled to 9 months of severance.  How would you expect anybody to make a commitment to this job if a capricious change in the political wind (or City Council opinion of priorities) allowed a termination?

Would you trust the judgment of a City Manager who had to base all their decisions on capricious changes?  What if City Council represented a p.o.v. you disagreed with?  Would you be ok with the City Manager clearing the way for new development and chain stores?

You don&#039;t even know the reason for Kersnar&#039;s apparent termination.  Instead of claiming some kind of omniscience and foresight, how about waiting for information like the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suza, the position of City Manager is pretty responsible.  It takes a lot of qualification and experience.  Jere Kersnar was selected from a field of 67.  The selected candidate has to move their family, and make a serious commitment to the new job and community.</p>
<p>It is not an interchangeable function with loads of candidates who are up to speed in a month or two, like a Jiffy Lube technician, or a yoga instructor.</p>
<p>The article linked states that if the position was terminated outside the 90-day window, then Kersnar would be entitled to 9 months of severance.  How would you expect anybody to make a commitment to this job if a capricious change in the political wind (or City Council opinion of priorities) allowed a termination?</p>
<p>Would you trust the judgment of a City Manager who had to base all their decisions on capricious changes?  What if City Council represented a p.o.v. you disagreed with?  Would you be ok with the City Manager clearing the way for new development and chain stores?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t even know the reason for Kersnar&#8217;s apparent termination.  Instead of claiming some kind of omniscience and foresight, how about waiting for information like the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Suza</title>
		<link>http://www.ojaipost.com/2010/07/ovn-reporting-kersnar-dismissed/comment-page-1/#comment-22956</link>
		<dc:creator>Suza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ninety days from the June 8 election is Sept. 6, meaning Kersnar could earn about $18,500 over the six weeks from Tuesday until the 90 days expire, according to a Star calculation.&quot;

Can someone help me  figure out why the Council could not give him some work to do until  Sept. 6 --since they have to pay him anyway?  (And the other question is who would make a contract like this with a new employee?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ninety days from the June 8 election is Sept. 6, meaning Kersnar could earn about $18,500 over the six weeks from Tuesday until the 90 days expire, according to a Star calculation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can someone help me  figure out why the Council could not give him some work to do until  Sept. 6 &#8211;since they have to pay him anyway?  (And the other question is who would make a contract like this with a new employee?)</p>
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		<title>By: Suza</title>
		<link>http://www.ojaipost.com/2010/07/ovn-reporting-kersnar-dismissed/comment-page-1/#comment-22955</link>
		<dc:creator>Suza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More details in the VC Star: 

Ojai city manager can&#039;t be let go before Sept. 6 

Read more:  http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/29/ojai-official-cant-be-let-go-before-sept-6/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More details in the VC Star: </p>
<p>Ojai city manager can&#8217;t be let go before Sept. 6 </p>
<p>Read more:  <a href="http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/29/ojai-official-cant-be-let-go-before-sept-6/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/29/ojai-official-cant-be-let-go-before-sept-6/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Constituent</title>
		<link>http://www.ojaipost.com/2010/07/ovn-reporting-kersnar-dismissed/comment-page-1/#comment-22948</link>
		<dc:creator>Constituent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was an excellent move by the City Council!  I only wish we knew the facts underlying the long overdue decision....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an excellent move by the City Council!  I only wish we knew the facts underlying the long overdue decision&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.ojaipost.com/2010/07/ovn-reporting-kersnar-dismissed/comment-page-1/#comment-22946</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nutmeg has some really bad karma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nutmeg has some really bad karma.</p>
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		<title>By: Nutmeg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nutmeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you city Council! Put his assistant in, from Santa Paula, he&#039;s been doing a good job!! Now if Dick Cheney would topple over...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you city Council! Put his assistant in, from Santa Paula, he&#8217;s been doing a good job!! Now if Dick Cheney would topple over&#8230;</p>
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