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If anyone in Ojai is paying attention, there is massive scale cloud-seeding occurring over our area and surrounding Southern California agricultural production areas in an attempt to induce rain.
The clouds are forming from large visible chemical upper atmosphere compound deposits that appear as straight lines in the sky that have been deposited into the upper atmosphere by aircraft in an attempt to lessen the stress to agriculture resulting from recent severe drought conditions. You may notice a spike in allergic reactions due to this dangerous and desperate activity. If you can, bring your pets indoors. You will notice that animals such as horses and dogs appear to be have eye irritations due to the compounds that have been deposited and young children are probably developing coughs and asthma type symptoms. No doubt this will result is sporadic downpours within 48-72 hours. Avoid skin contamination to this precipitation wherever possible due to the chemical, precipitation-inducing compounds that will be contained therein.
If anyone in Ojai is paying attention, there is massive scale cloud-seeding occurring over our area and surrounding Southern California agricultural production areas in an attempt to induce rain.
The clouds are forming from large visible chemical upper atmosphere compound deposits that appear as straight lines in the sky that have been deposited into the upper atmosphere by aircraft in an attempt to lessen the stress to agriculture resulting from recent severe drought conditions. You may notice a spike in allergic reactions due to this dangerous and desperate activity. If you can, bring your pets indoors. You will notice that animals such as horses and dogs appear to be have eye irritations due to the compounds that have been deposited and young children are probably developing coughs and asthma type symptoms. No doubt this will result is sporadic downpours within 48-72 hours. Avoid skin contamination to this precipitation wherever possible due to the chemical, precipitation-inducing compounds that will be contained therein.
Must be some horrible poison-the-people conspiracy and couldn’t possibly have anything to do with cold air and the storm system now building in the Northwest…
Actual weather forecasting from actual forecasters:
http://www.accuweather.com/regional-news-story.asp?region=westusnews
Ken Clark’s blog (with actual diagrams of airflow!):
http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?blog=%20clark
Beyond the delusions of cloud seeding, it looks as though the second storm that’s coming may be a big one — it’s too far out to model well, apparently, but according to what Clark is seeing it could be huge rainfall amounts in our neck of the woods.
He writes:
“Of course with this storm being farther out in time, certainty levels are not quite as high as the first. But all indications are that this could be a major storm with major, perhaps severe, impacts to California if (if is a big word, I don’t want to get lost here) current indications come true.
This storm is expected to begin Wednesday and continue Thursday. This will be a warmer storm with the strong potential for a pineapple connection. The 12Z Friday GFS is painting what could be considered a worst-case scenario for the state. It would really be a two-shot storm, warm advection precipitation at first, followed by a strong cold front.
Heavy precipitation would fall over all of central and Southern California, with widespread 1.50- to 4.00-inch rain amounts. However, with a projected strong low-level south and southwest jet modeled, this could lead to some places, especially on west- and south-facing slopes of the mountains from the central coastal south to Southern California, receiving three to four times that much precipitation. With snow levels likely to rise to well above 7,000 feet, much of what falls will be rain. This will melt what snow falls from storm number 1 and also fall on already saturated ground. Snow levels will fall again during the day Thursday from north to south.
Again, if these model projections are even close to being right, we are staring straight in the face of widespread flooding problems. Even worse, around recent burn areas, and especially the huge Station Fire burn area, mudslides and debris flows could be disastrous. If you have been following my blog you know that I am not an alarmist meteorologist that likes to sensationalize every storm. So by me saying what I have said, you have to know of how concerned I am. This is the time to prepare for rain, and perhaps a lot of rain. Don’t wait!”
China, Russia and many other countries have openly confessed to regular use of cloud seeding. It’s far from a conspiracy. Educate yourself Mr. “Meteorologist”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
It’s happening all over North America in an attempt to alleviate stress to crops. It also poisons crops and people. Southern Cal was sprayed today.
This is great! Lately there has been a noticeable lack of discussion regarding the GFS model and cloud seeding here on the Ojai Post. I’m happy to see that changing.
The Saturday 00 UTC GFS is still on track for a big rain next week. Maybe a little less bullish than Friday’s 12 UTC version, but still, yikes! The key questionss will be whether a strong southerly flow sets up normal to the Transverse Range, and the amount of subtropical moisture the flow has to work with. There is some talk about moisture from ex-Typhoon Nida being entrained into this system. For reference: In October, we had about 5” of rain on the valley floor with basically no dynamics, but we had lots of moisture from ex-Typhoon Melor. We’ll have to wait and see what develops, but it could get interesting.
In case you’re wondering: GFS = Global Forecast System, UTC = universal time, and we’re 8 hours behind UTC at this time of year in Ojai. So 00 UTC (or 00Z) is 4:00 pm Pacific Standard Time. The GFS model runs are updated every 6 hours. Run-to-run consistency, and consistency with other models, is what forecasters are looking for.
I knew several friends who used to cloud-seed out of Santa Barbara Airport. The timing is crucial, and it was often a very wild ride. One friend, a chemical engineer, was given the task of the actual seeding, which took place in the back of the plane. As I recall, the meteorologists sat up front with the pilot, or if they had enough seniority, stayed on the ground.
p.s. Cloud-seeding is much different than contrails or chemtrails. Apples and oranges…
thank you for mentioning this highly controversial topic. Almost always you will be called delusional or looney. People in other countries are well aware of the cloud seeding taking place, why are we in denial. So they’ve pumped up this system coming in from the north and now there will be flooding. Lovely. They are totally cloud seeding. They do so more at night and early morning, because we’re catching on. Great informative flick on youtube circulating about HAARP & DARPA. Makes me want to bust out the tin foil hats. But that’s the protection, this can’t be true, right? It’s just so crazy! Being a nurse, I leave very early sometimes, the hatch-mark grid of “contrails/chemtrails” is disgusting. Welcome to the NWO. Don’t let people tell you your perception is wrong, if you’ve seen this mess in the sky, there is no denial. If you haven’t, you need to get outside more, go for a hike. WAKE UP!
interesting link explains another theory, much more malevolent than cloud seeding…
http://thelibertyguardian.com/2009/12/everything-you-want-to-know-about-the-haarp-project/
Thanks, Camille, for actual information.
And yes, as she suggests, cloud seeding happens in CA.
Here is some info: http://www.waterplan.water.ca.gov/docs/cwpu2005/vol2/v2ch14.pdf
As Camille says, real cloud seeding has nothing to do with contrails. (Or so-called “chemtrails”).
You can argue as to whether actual cloud seeding is a good idea or not, but it’s been going on in CA (publicly BTW) since the 1950′s, so it’s not some new dark horrible government overlord bit. It has NOTHING to do with HAARP and/or DARPA.
Concerned neighbor, as someone who works in the medical field, where’s the science on chem trails? There isn’t any. It’s one of many conspiracy theories that swirl around in internet land that are tasty because they feed into our fears of government evil-doing and they come from people who generally have absolutely no understanding of what they’re claiming.
About the crossmark grids that you see? Here’s a pretty darn lucid essay on why these happen with no nefarious undertones from a pilot who’s actually up there in the sky.
http://www.nmsr.org/pilotsvu.htm
In the meanwhile, I’m vastly amused by the scary HAARP video from this superb journalistic source, The Liberty Guardian.
It’s staff?
“Founder & Editor-in-Chief: M.J. Harris
Chief Executive Officer:M.J. Harris
Editor:M.J. Harris
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Advertising Operations:M.J. Harris
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Give me a break.
The horrible thing about all of this is that once again people get hysterical about something that won’t impact them while they don’t worry about something that could — if this second storm comes together as meteorologists are suggesting, we could have some major flooding problems.
But, heck, it’s more fun to think a bunch of scientists up in Alaska are trying to think of ways to kill us.
I’m beginning to believe that there is something in the water in Ojai that kills people’s ability to think analytically without inherent paranoia.
Another interesting NPR interview on real cloud seeding in SoCal:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93341406
I personally have mixed reactions as to whether this is a good idea or not because I don’t think we have a great understanding of what, if any, atmospheric implications it carries. Though I understand the appeal of exploring the possibility in a parched area.
But, again, this isn’t a nefarious secret plot to kill people — the LA version discussed in the NPR article was an effort to bring rainfall up by 15% to combat the fire season. You can argue with this being a good response or not (or an effective response or not) but how is this an evil desire?
PS: #5 Cloud seeding — can you site a source for your claim that SoCal was seeded yesterday? From my understanding (born out by what is said in the NPR interview) cloud seeding can’t create clouds — it’s just an effort to manipulate clouds to create more precipitation. Would love to see your source of information on Friday’s seeding.
Cloud seeding has lead to so many autism and cancer cases. It’s happening tonight again over our area and so cal. Stay inside.
Cloud seeding is happening over Ojai consistently at night. This will not be a natural storm. Do not let livestock drink the rain water. It will be heavily contaminated.
So we’re all in agreement here? They are indeed seeding the clouds. So what’s the argument? The link i posted from HAARP was something i viewed recently and thought was interesting. The only thing I’ve claimed to be going on here is the cloud seeding. Forgive me for not being as well versed in other modalities of science that rarely intersect Human Biology in any way. And can you say for certain Leigh that this cloud seeding that were all in agreement on, is not hazardous to our health, therefore poisoning us? Also, were do you get that I’ve not concerned about the impending storm? I am very concerned. Just because someone not as knowledgeable as yourself, asks a few well founded questions, is no need to attack.
Studying science I understand enough to know you cannot manipulate nature and not expect serious repercussions.
The point here being: many people including myself have observed these contrails in the criss-cross pattern across the sky. None of us understand what they re, so we’re seeking answers. When I’ve observed these patterns, the contrails these planes leave are usually left in blue skies (no clouds present), but the more lines they make the more they link together, creating this unnatural hazy condition. Eventually most of the sky is hazy, then you’ll see planes come in and fill in any gaps. So, if it’s not cloud seeding, or HAARP electromagnetic control, I ASK WHAT IS THIS? Is all. That’s all i wanted. Why must everyone attack so quickly. Thank you for your link Leigh, I look forward to looking into the pilot explanation.
Leigh do you have any advice for residents in the valley to prepare for this upcoming storm?
so according to the link you’ve provided. These hatch-mark contrails are just plane flight patterns, which would make perfect sense, if there wasn’t this fill-in-the-gap behavior with planes looking like they are zig zagging and making u turns. And if this is nothing but normal airplane exhaust, still! YUCK, it’s chemical so it’s not intentionally trying to kill us, it’s just a side effect, that almost makes it worse. And why is this so prevalent on one day and not the next when the weather was similar until they appeared? Just doesn’t seem like normal flight patterns when I’ve seen them.
Anyhow, what to do about the storm front?
Concerned Neighbor, I’m really sorry if I hurt your feelings — I apologize that I was short and snippy, but I get really frustrated by some of the fuzzy thinking that seems to find its way here to the OP.
I’m not arguing that cloud seeding can and does happen in SoCal. (Though I am asking for anyone insisting that it’s happening in this storm system to please provide proof.) So far, if they have been seeding, they’ve not done well, as there’s been no rainfall here. Again, cloud seeding is about upping precipitation levels in a storm. It is NOT about creating clouds.
And I’m not insisting that cloud seeding is a great thing. I share your concerns that we can make big messes if we interfere with nature — don’t think it’s a 100% given, but I think it’s possible enough that it’s worth thinking about. And I’ve read competing information about its potential impacts on human/environmental well being. Seeders use silver iodide, (which I’m sure that as a nurse you know more about in terms of human health impacts than I do, Concerned Neighbor!), but the levels that actually reach the ground are minute.
All that said, this is what I was responding to with a certain amount of sharpness:
“Being a nurse, I leave very early sometimes, the hatch-mark grid of “contrails/chemtrails” is disgusting. Welcome to the NWO. Don’t let people tell you your perception is wrong, if you’ve seen this mess in the sky, there is no denial. If you haven’t, you need to get outside more, go for a hike. WAKE UP!”
With your being a nurse, I get it that your research work is in biology/anatomy, etc. and not in atmospheric science. But it completely distresses me that someone with science training would get conned by the ‘chemtrails/HAARP/DARPA’ nonsense.
And I would hope that if someone with scientific training made a claim with such fervor, as you did above, you’d have hard science to back it up.
Has it occurred to you that maybe there are a lot of contrails in the morning because we live between two of the largest military bases in the country? And not too far from one of the largest commercial airports? Have you ever stood outside at night and noticed how many planes go through our airspace in the course of an hour? Studies have shown that night time flights are far more likely to leave contrails than daytime flights…
Additionally, contrails aren’t some mysterious chemical — they’re aircraft exhaust, which is mostly carbon dioxide and water vapor. There is some scientific conversation about potential impacts of contrails on global warming — so, it’s worth being aware of them. Not because they’re spraying us with chemicals, but because air travel is part of larger climate change issues.
(Oh, and the planes aren’t flying in weird patterns — the contrails move around and bend as they hit different air masses.)
If you want to talk about cloud seeding, But seeing contrails in the atmosphere has nothing to do with cloud seeding.
Again, to the folks who are insisting that cloud seeding is happening right now, can you please point the rest of to sites that discuss this? Who’s doing it? How? What airports are they flying out of?
And as to preparing for the storm — for those folks with potential flooding problems, the fire station in Oak View has a free sand pile and bags if you need to do any sandbagging. Getting drains cleaned out, leaves out of gutters, etc. — anything that will help keep water from going where you don’t want it to go. And then cross fingers that this second storm won’t be quite as spectacular as it might be…
Hope this was helpful and slightly less cranky!
Best,
Leigh
Oops — meant to also ask what other folks are doing with big rain possible?
Best,
Leigh
Well, the first wet does seem to be here!
My biggest problem is that one of my dogs (a true Southern Californian) despises being rained on and blames me for the wet as he stands in the doorway whining instead of going out…oh, the indignity!
Looks as though the storm later this week may not be as extreme as first thought:
From Ken Clark again:
“As for the future. The much heralded huge storm models had last Friday for Wednesday and Thursday no longer looks likely. That does not mean it wont be wet. For much of northern, central and at least northern sections of southern California from the mountains on west a series of disturbances moving east across the Pacific bring rain and mountain snow chance just about every day Thursday through next Monday. The most likely storms are Thursday then again over the weekend. Models differ especially on the weekend storm on strength. No matter the details it does look like the area will remain in a stormy pattern for at least another week.”
http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?partner=accuweather&blog=Clark&pgurl=/mtweb/content/Clark/archives/2009/12/wicked_cold_storm_nowmore_to_come.asp
Best,
Leigh
I think this is the most recent open thread so I’ll post my question here! does anyone know of a great restaurant in Ojai that is serving on Christmas Eve? We wanted to go to Feast Bistro but they are only serving lunch. I checked the Chamber website and didn’t find any information. Maybe Lisa can point me in the right direction? many thanks
Hi Donna,
Yes, in fact on page 2 of the OVN, Bodee’s has an ad for Christmas Eve dinner, seatings 4-8 p.m., and the menu choices look fantastic: lamb chops, salmon, honey-baked ham, steak au poivre, chicken penne, and don’t get me started on the desserts! Call 646-5300 to reserve a table (and be sure to let us know how it was).
Lisa
thank you Lisa – we might check it out! Robert is still undecided if he wants to go out, but it would be a treat for us and I really want to!!
Looks like we’re going untraditional Christmas Eve and going to Osteria Monte Grappa. I just called and they are serving until 8pm and will have their regular menu and a few holiday specials! I think they take reservations of parties 5 or more, but you can call when you are leaving home and they will try to have a table ready for you if you are a smaller party.
Good choice! I just love Osteria!