Open Thread: Overnight Wonka Edition

by Open Thread on June 19, 2009

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DK June 20, 2009 at 9:43 am

Thank you :)
One of my favorite movies of all time. The music still sends me into that place of suspended belief.


LTOR June 20, 2009 at 11:14 am

My thoughts, prayers and deep, deep respect are with the heroes in Tehran, Shiraz and other Iranian cities who have been risking their lives all day by taking to the streets….


Jock Doubleday June 20, 2009 at 12:07 pm

LTOR: Yes.


Jock Doubleday June 20, 2009 at 4:56 pm

Tyler’s haiku contest for Locally Grown has inspired me to create another contest: “Mulberry Tree for Truth.”
I will deliver and plant an Oscar mulberry tree to the first person in the Ojai/Ventura/Santa Barbara/Los Angeles area to prove that President (sic) Obama is a natural-born citizen of the United States. Such proof would consist of a jpeg file of Obama’s U.S. Birth Certificate.
Contact: Jock Doubleday at
Berg vs. Obama, Third Circuit Court of Appeals No. 08 – 4340
Berg vs. Obama, U.S. District Court, Case No. 08-cv-1933
By writing to regarding the “Mulberry Tree for Truth” contest, correspondents agree to have their correspondence made public.


LTOR June 20, 2009 at 8:33 pm

(stifling a yawn…)
and the readers of The Ojai Post would have sitting in their computers a jpeg file of Barack Obama’s birth certificate because….oh, never mind…(snore…)


LTOR June 20, 2009 at 8:58 pm

Oh, p.s. :)


Tyler June 20, 2009 at 10:34 pm

So today, being a Birther is What Is Important In The World As Determined By The Decider, eh Jock?
The Obama Birth Certificate Non-story and More Republican Nonsense

“There’s no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody’s mind,” says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master’s degree in psychology. “The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it … Once you’re committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind.”

“Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory “develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence,” Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. “As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy.”

“Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. “One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special,” Harrington says. “The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they’ll have convenient ways to discredit [it].””


Jock Doubleday June 21, 2009 at 11:24 am

Tyler “Go Lakers” Cowen, et al.,
I am blessed, indeed honored, to be the caretaker of a number of lovely mulberry trees.
In a research-challenged world, what better way to use the glories of Mother Nature than to inspire research?
Why talk about “conspiracies” when you can just go to the data?
Have a research-filled day! :)
P.S. Still waitin’ for that jpeg, lol.
P.P.S. “Republican nonsense”? The two most prominent court cases against Obama have been brought by Democrat Philip Berg (former District Attorney for the state of Pennsylvania).
Obama Birth Certificate Fraud Proof
New Revelations on Obama’s Birth Certificate
Is Obama an American Citizen? Michael Savage Show, Part 1
Is Obama an American Citizen? Michael Savage Show, Part 2
Obama spent $800,000 over a $10 Birth Certificate
Kenyan Ambassador Admits Obama Born There – Birthplace
Obama’s Crimes
Obama’s COLB on Factcheck
New Thoughts on Obama’s COLB
Obama Birth Certificate Fraud Proof
the three videos above in response to the following two articles:
Jock Doubleday
Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc.
A California 501(c)3 Nonprofit Corporation
Jock Doubleday is the author of
“Spontaneous Creation:
101 Reasons Not to Have Your Baby in a Hospital, Vol 1:
A Book about Natural Childbirth and the Birth of Wisdom and Power in
Childbearing Women”


Tyler June 21, 2009 at 11:50 am

Day 2, being a Birther is What Is Important In The World As Determined By The Decider.


LTOR June 21, 2009 at 11:50 am

Dude, seriously? YouTube???


Jock Doubleday June 21, 2009 at 12:14 pm

As we know from the Bush era, the mainstream media, and only the mainstream media, give us the Truth. Alternative news sources do not and cannot offer anything of interest.
P.S. Hm, my inbox at still lacks a jpeg of Obama’s U.S. Birth Certificate. I guess people don’t like mulberries as much as I thought! But chocolate from imaginary chocolate factories? Now that’s tasty. :)


LTOR June 21, 2009 at 12:52 pm

“Martial Law coming to a neighborhood near you October 1st”. And the trustworthy “alternative news source” you got that from for your OP post last year was….? :)


Anonymous June 21, 2009 at 5:01 pm

The U.S. has laid economic siege to Iran for 30 years.
Recently, Congress voted $120 million for anti-regime media broadcasts into Iran and $60-75 million in funding for opposition, violent underground Marxists and restive ethnic groups such as Azeris, Kurds and Arabs under the “Iran Democracy Program.”
Pakistani intelligence sources put the CIA’s recent spending on “black operations” to subvert Iran’s government at $400 million.
While the majority of protests we see in Tehran are genuine and spontaneous, western intelligence agencies are playing a key role in sustaining them and providing communications, including the newest method, via Twitter.


Jock Doubleday June 22, 2009 at 12:12 pm

Wow! Straw man/diversion #3 . . . ha ha!
Still waitin’ for that jpeg. :)
P.S. I wonder if readers of the Ojai Post believe that anonymous commenters lack the courage of their convictions — that, as participants in a community forum, they can only be called cowards. At least Tyler “boxcutter theory” Cowen has the courage to put a signature after his nonsense.


LTOR June 22, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Straw man diversion? I think not. I bring up your past post as an example and a reminder to everyone of something you seem not to understand: you lost credibility here MONTHS ago. And all your ridiculous “challenges”, juvenile insults, and sanctimonious pr*ck behavior ain’t gonna change that, my friend.
I have defended my right to use an acronym plenty of times here…If you actually paid attention and engaged with people here (instead of just dropping by to…what?…prove to us how much more “progressive” or “enlightened” you think you are, and then running away), you would know that!
Your mulberry tree “challenge” is as ridiculous as you are. (ha ha and a :) right back at you!)


Jock Doubleday June 22, 2009 at 1:40 pm

LTOR: Still waitin’ for that jpeg, bro, ha ha!
To the Ojai/Ventura/Santa Barbara/Los Angeles community:
In the event that no evidence of a legitimate U.S. birth certificate for President (sic) Obama is received by Jock Doubleday by the date of July 4, 2009, a mulberry tree will be gifted to a 501(c)3 nonprofit chosen by Ojai Post editor Tyler “boxcutter conspiracy theory” Cowen.
In the event that conspiracy theorist Cowen elects not to select a nonprofit for this honor, or the nonprofit so chosen declines this honor, a mulberry tree will be planted at the old Honor Farm — presently called the Frog Farm to honor the frogs that have survived the long drought of the Ojai Valley and await the water table’s rising and return.
Wherever the tree is planted, it will be planted in honor of the impending demasking of President (sic) Obama, the present-day minion of the Illuminati, and also in honor of the long-awaited dethroning of the so-called “two-party” system, which has created around the world a smothering veil of democracy, a veil used by a few wealthy families to create global chaos, misery, impoverishment, and death in the guise of “doing good.”
Jock Doubleday
Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc.
A California 501(c)3 Nonprofit Corporation


LTOR June 22, 2009 at 1:59 pm

Is Obama also a reptilian shape shifter in your world, Jock? Or is there SOME line your paranoia and conspiracy theorist world view won’t cross?


Tyler June 22, 2009 at 5:25 pm

Jock, you may have a running dialogue in your head that explains this, but my last name isn’t Cowen, I have no idea what the “boxcutter conspiracy theory” is, and you can plant your tree wherever you want.
PS – Day 3, being a Birther is What Is Important In The World As Determined By The Decider.


Raymond June 23, 2009 at 12:06 pm



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