On Dennert: Is America A Center Right Nation?

by Tyler Suchman on January 12, 2009

Brian Dennert, blogger-extraordinaire at the VC Star, hosts an online debate: Is America A Center Right Nation?. If you’re a political junkie, its good readin’. David Atkins, who represents the left, is thereisnospoon, one of the more active and popular diarists on 800-lb progressive gorilla DailyKos.com.

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Brian Dennert January 12, 2009 at 11:33 pm

Thanks for the post and the comments, I appreciate it.


Anonymous January 13, 2009 at 12:03 am

Debating Republicans… Talk about shooting fish in a barrel.
The other day I heard one claim that FDR caused the Great Depression.
Apparently this is a talking point they have ginned up in their so-called think tanks.
While I suppose its all amusing on some level I don’t quite get, the reality is that for this country to move forward, it is time to leave these “conservatives” behind. For good. The ones that are not outright criminals promote preposterous ideas that are proven bankrupt just by looking around.
When we “debate” these people, we give them credence they do not deserve. And we waste critical time. Worse, we turn off the good people, the intelligent, competent people who we actually need to be involved in leadership. Good, intelligent, competent people don’t want to spend their energies arguing with morons who do bad things, over and over. They would rather drop out. Make wine. Do art. Move elsewhere. Life is short.
Engagement is great; but let’s engage on positive, progressive terms, in the context of making the changes that need to be made.
If we’re going to debate Republicans, let’s do it in a tried and true forum where the rules are fair and adhere to our highest standards: Our criminal courts. Charge the bastards with their crimes, and let them defend themselves in front of a jury. See how their arguments stand up to the rules of evidence and a jury of peers.
This is not just spouting. If there is a country in history that has recovered from anything similar to what we’ve just been through without holding the perps accountable, please name it.
Sure, sometimes it takes a few years, just to get the country moving again and concentrate a strong enough base. But these Republicans need to face charges and lose all of their ill-gotten gains, sooner or later. Or this country will not recover.


Dennis Leary January 13, 2009 at 7:53 am

Such debates legitimize the one party, fascist-lite republicrat system, the mobster bankster patriarchal beast on the killing fields of Gaza.
Ojaians who feed on this garbage are co-conspirators of war on earth, womem and children.
Talk about lack of brevity for which I am censored on OP.
Wake up Ojai. Your meat eating, pet keeping and interest blood money ways will come back on your head.
Love truth. Love justice. Love love. Love the real Ojai-Ventura, not a war whore Ojail.
Use your Love given intelligence!
Don’t censure me. Censor your addiction to ignorance and hauteur.
(99 words, 1 exclamation)


Millennium Twain January 13, 2009 at 8:15 am

there is no need to debate co-intel promoters, political power seekers. they are only deceit-spreaders and power-players, a guild of violence to accomplish violent ends. they are neither logical or ethical.
if one has to convince the audience, one is not speaking truth, which is clear and transparent to all who are at peace.
it occurred to me yesterday, that someone of the power or image of an American Messiah would be required to dispose of an American Hitler — thus reinforcing what we are observing of the totality of the ‘social sphere’ that the Obama (Democrat?) machine is being required to embrace to displace history’s greatest gangsters from office.
is it honest? is it virtuous? is it necessary, to embrace and enroll all the minions of evil … in order to displace another evil?
eight trillion dollars given to the gangsters, without even a quarrel, in fact Obama and Team ‘spluttering-at-the-seams’ to insist it is their idea, public looting that they support.
appointments of the sickest people on the planet as heads of all the chief offices of the land.
proposed programs to support the worst that America has to offer — the contemporary powers that be in banking, industry, science, medicine, media … church and state.
clearly the Obama-nation has sucked itself to the mainstream center of American consciousness today, which IS violent, which is predatory, which is evil incarnate.
will that Great Sucking Sound continue in its rapid evolution in the weeks and months ahead? will it be permitted to merge with, Suck Into, the river of all rivers flowing together which is this time we are naming 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 … this time of Global Consciousness, honoring all cultures … this time of the Returning Divine Feminine, honoring women, learning from the GrandMothers, listening to the death cries of our Mother Earth and healing her together?
could WE, the Obama-Wave, do otherwise?
at this juncture of the Deluge, returned Flood?
Santa Ana speaking, Goddess Moon echoing, my dreams last night were of dialog and ‘thoughtfulness’ in our community.
I was in the library, where two friends were talking … one said that perhaps ‘Beauty’ was the greater concept, and the other ‘Virtue’, which the Taoists name De. I mused, ummhhh an ‘Integrity’ suggests itself … yet perhaps ‘Peacefulness’ is equally essential.
The many-pointed star of guidance — that we were seeking today to end our warring, to end the evil in government and industry, to end the evil in ourselves and our Valley and our world — grew to include ‘Integrity’ or ‘Respect’ for all peoples and cultures –
as our forum of discussion shifted to a local basketball court, and the game became sidetracked or uplifted by speech, as the reason of or being together at this time, today, became clear without even naming it –
that the reason we ARE here, and ARE coming together, is to uplift ourselves, each and everyone, again together.
and, now waking, I will say ‘Heal Our Mother Earth’ … correct the evil and sickness that we have done …
and so heal ourselves.
with and for all our tree, animal, spirit relations …


spk January 13, 2009 at 10:45 am

It’s nice to see rationality prevail in politics. David Atkins trounced Mike Gibson on the “is America a center-right nation” question. Every major poll for the last twenty-five years has shown that Americans are overwhelming liberal when asked questions about actual issues and their potential solutions. Only when asked to self label do a portion of them claim to be conservative. This center-right nation meme is designed to keep the Republicans on the board after the last two election cycles where they were trounced. America is a liberal country just like the framers of the Constitution were. America is Center-Left-Whacked Out with some corporatist opportunists, in control of the Republican party, harnessing the Christian right for their own purposes. MT and Dennis represent the Whacked Out end of the spectrum.
Mike Gibson has eyes on higher office here in the central coast. It was good to see that he’s a paper tiger. I actually met David Atkins and sat next to him at a meeting of the Ventura County Democrats Central Committee. I had no idea he was thereisnospoon. I’ve been reading his stuff on DKos for a long time.
MT, neither – nor, either – or


peace-meal January 13, 2009 at 12:17 pm



ish-meal January 13, 2009 at 1:04 pm



Francis January 13, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Fake Name January 13, 2009 at 4:56 pm

I don’t want to post under my real name but I have a serious question. Is the person that said this for real?
“Such debates legitimize the one party, fascist-lite republicrat system, the mobster bankster patriarchal beast on the killing fields of Gaza.”
Is there someone that thinks the West is somehow patriarchal but that Islam is not? I don’t feel like trying to understand their other rantings, but seriously, are they joking in their long diatribe?


Tyler January 13, 2009 at 5:38 pm

Dear Fake Name -
That’s Dennis Leary. Real guy, not joking. Or girl, as he has taken to calling herself Denise. Ran for City Council in ’06. Thinks that having pets are the root of all evil, we are all stupid and uneducated, and believes he’s getting censored despite the fact that he posts here more than anyone. Plenty more here:
Dennis Leary


Moses Kravitz January 13, 2009 at 5:45 pm

It has been interesting watching the slow dissolution of the personality of the individual named Dennis Denise James Leary.
It makes fine fodder for the amateur psychologists among us.
I think he has coined a new dagnosis:
“Pet-induced psychosis”.
I suggest it is time to have an ojaipost roast.
Perhaps we can get Malcolm McDowell as RoastMaster General.
I hear his venom is quite useful for putting people in their place.


Tyler January 13, 2009 at 5:47 pm

MK – I think the shining spotlight is the crux of the problem.


MK January 13, 2009 at 6:51 pm

…fade to >>>grey???…


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