the END of the Evil Rothschild Crown FEDERAL ‘reserve’!
thread for chronicling our most ‘unrestful’ sacred civil theatre actions in Goddess Moon, and around the continent and ‘union’ … on 22 November 2008 … to end the ‘Federal Reserve’ agency of the British Crown which controls the US government.
22 November 2008 US-Wide Civil Unrest Theatre to End the Fed!
http://www.endthefed.us
US Intelligence Agency personnel count for 1996, Federation of American Scientists
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Protest Planned at Saturday G-20 Summit
WASHINGTON, November 11 — NGOs from the United States announced Tuesday plans for a protest march on Saturday when the Group of 20 developed nations meets in Washington to coordinate the US Financial coup.
A “peoples summit” organized by the Global Justice Action coalition will take place all weekend long on the streets of the US capital.
The protestors will demand an end to the Federal Reserve and a new government that “puts people in power”, over the “system of wealth and privilege.”
“A universal government that respects and empowers every woman and man and deals out justice to the industrialists and bankers and ends the Nazi regime of the politicians and media,” said a press release.
“We now require equal participation of the women and working class, and the poor and indigenous peoples, at all levels of the government, intelligence, and financial markets.”
Meanwhile, signs of growing unemployment in the US are ever more visible, a symptom of the worsening financial crisis, reported Prensa Latina.
And, in Rome, Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said at the Vatican on Tuesday that the Crown monetary fiasco has already contaminated the global economy and generated real unemployment everywhere, not just the US and Europe.
I’m lukewarm to Messiah Oblama but this really turns me on.
Nov. 22 and JFK. He was killed by the Red Fed Fascists because he created a people currency and therefore opposed their scam, and because he planned to reign in the CIA. Those killers got to him first and if Obama steps out on them, he will go too.
I note with special interest the criticism from the Vatican against the Crown. What! Unheard of in recent memory. It means the Jesuits and Vatican are moving their pieces into place, and sending a message of who the real bosses are.
In the big big picture the pawns are beginning to fall to the bigger pieces.
I nominate MT for “Ojai Treasure.” He deserves it for service to the earth, womem, children and yes, Ojai herself. Keep up the good work, and music!!!!
*^$@*@*^&%$@#^ write on ?*^%#$*^(#$%!
“Those killers got to him first and if Obama steps out on them, he will go too.”
Shame on us, for burying our immoral political legacy, and passing it on to our children …
Re: the Federal Reserve …
http://www.ojaipost.com/2008/10/economic_collapse_as_an_opport_1.shtml
The United States, by Statute and Constitution, is a subject of the Crown of England. For specifics you can follow the Constitutionally-mandated chain-of-command in nation by nation around the United Kingdom. In Australia, the Crown has ultimate veto authority over the government’s actions by the power to remove the Prime Minister at any time for any reason. In New Zealand, all decisions of the Courts or Government may be appealed to the Crown, which acts as the Supreme Court of New Zealand. Perhaps the best known example of a Crown verdict in New Zealand was the decision against the NZ government in favor of the native Maori, with compensation penalties of hundreds of millions of dollars.
In the case of the US, by statute the Federal Reserve dictates monetary policy to the US government, and not vice versa … and by the Constitution the US citizen taxpayers are obliged to pay the interest on, or any debts called in, to the UK, or created by the Federal Reserve.
Rinaldo Brutoco wrote:
“…it appears this current financial crisis may provide the opportunity to fundamentally re-examine the Fed’s mission and authority, and to offer options on how to curtail its unilateral control over the markets, the printing of currency, and the banking system.”
John Perna wrote:
End the Federal Reserve Bank! National Rally for Sound Money, November 22nd
http://targetfreedom.typepad.com/targetfreedom/2008/11/end-the-fed.html
The Federal Reserve is also refusing to identify the recipients of almost $2 trillion of emergency loans from American taxpayers or the troubled assets the central bank is accepting as collateral.
Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in September they would comply with congressional demands for transparency in a $700 billion bailout of the banking system which has now grown to some $5 trillion. Two months later, as the Fed lends far more than that in separate rescue programs that didn’t require approval by Congress, Americans have no idea where their money is going or what securities the banks are pledging in return.
“It’s your money; it’s not the Fed’s money,” said billionaire Ted Forstmann, senior partner of Forstmann Little & Co. in New York. “Of course there should be transparency. The power of the Federal Reserve over the US government must be terminated before the economy is beyond recovery.”
Federal Reserve spokeswoman Michelle Smith declined to comment on the loans or the Bloomberg lawsuit. Treasury spokeswoman Michele Davis didn’t respond to a phone call and an e-mail seeking comment.
The so-called Federal Reserve lent cash and government bonds to banks, which gave the Fed collateral in the form of equities and debt, including subprime and structured securities such as collateralized debt obligations, according to the Fed web site. The borrowers have included the now-bankrupt Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Citigroup Inc. and JPMorgan Chase & Co. The nation’s biggest banks, Citigroup, Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley, declined to comment on whether they have borrowed money from the Fed. They received $120 billion in capital from the TARP, which was signed into law October 3.
Revealing how the Fed values collateral could help thaw frozen credit markets, said Ron D’Vari, chief executive officer of NewOak Capital LLC in New York and the former head of structured finance at BlackRock Inc. “I’d love to hear the methodology, how the Fed priced the assets,” D’Vari said. “That would unclog the market very quickly.”
The Bloomberg lawsuit argues that the collateral lists “are central to understanding and assessing the government’s response to the most cataclysmic financial crisis in America since the Great Depression.”
The Fed has lent at least $81 billion to American International Group Inc., the world’s largest insurer, so that it can pay obligations to banks. The central bank is also responsible for losses on a $26.8 billion portfolio guaranteed after Bear Stearns Cos. was bought by JPMorgan.
“As a taxpayer, it is absolutely important that we know how they’re lending money and who they’re lending it to,” said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Arlington, Virginia- based Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.
Moody’s Investors Service alone has cut its ratings on 926 mortgage-backed securities worth $42 billion to junk from investment grade since Sept. 14, making them ineligible for collateral on some Fed loans. The Fed’s collateral “absolutely should be made public,” said Mark Cuban, an activist investor, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks professional basketball team and the creator of the Web site BailoutSleuth. com, which focuses on the secrecy shrouding the Fed’s moves.
Clarification. The background to my statement was my belief that JFK’s murder was an inside job. I also believe that 911 was too.
It sounds like Americans are finally waking up to the fact that they are being robbed by the Fed.
The Greater Awakening will be that the whole money system itself is a huge scam to rob the poor and pay the rich. We all participlate in it through the banking system, and that karma will kick back on us unless we do all we can to resist it individually and personally.
The gatekeepers and save-our-systemers are frightened enough to wake up but it may be too late. I personally don’t want the system saved but I also don’t want to see people suffer when the system fails. My grandfather lost all his hard earned money in the last Depression.
Wake up, Ojai. Listen to your prophets, like MT and Jock. They can save your assets.
As for me on Nov. 22, I’ll be thinking of JFK and sending out as much love as I can on that day. There is now an identifiable real enemy with the Red Fed but still not the real big big one, patriarchy itself.
Bob’s yer Uncle, MT..
ya reckon your American mates will ever cotton to the fact that they are just more pomes? as to your reactionary Global Justice Action Coalition protest, here is the people’s response..
Global day of action November 15th 2008 Call
Resisting Capitalism and it’s ‘Financial and Ecological’ crises during
the G20 richest nations summit.
Other worlds are possible – A Grassroots Anti-Capitalist call for
action.
On November 15, the G20 richest nations will convene in Washington to
try to put their financial smeltdown behind them and increase the
international capitalist system. The rainforests continue to be razed,
jobs cut, pensions destroyed, houses evicted, unemployment rises,
uncertainty, horrible anti-immigrant measures are pushed for by
right-wingers, homelessness increase, relationships break down and food
and basic housing spiral beyond the reach of the poor the world over
while the land and ocean and atmosphere around us collapses. We are
living through a profound period of rapid and terrifying change, an
intensification of the long crisis that is capitalism and this time the
smeltdown really is global. Even conservative media and staunch
economic-rationalists are saying this will be the worst since the great
depression… and they are trying to re-organise a Bretton Woods II
project for a stronger aristocracy. World-over there is direct action
and civil disobedience resistance taking many forms and proposals of
many types circulating as always and now with new consideration given
the cost we will be asked to pay to bail-out the rotten system – food
riots, strikes for wage increases and backpay of stolen wages, price
reduction campaigns, radical discussions on the crises, oil-war
protests, the sharing of radical everyday strategies for living in hard
times, looting of supermarkets, as yet sporadic but hopefully growing
resistance to evictions, sit-downs, protests at financial institutions
and districts are spreading, thousands of the italian universities
occupation movements saying “we will not pay for your orchestrated
crisis.” As the money and environmental crises intensify so too
hopefully the struggles, with this as the stage we offer a humble
proposal for this global day of action against capital, the G20 – hoping
to see another thread of struggle emerge.
- Another thread that calls for common and grassroots control of our
lives, an alternative to the left or right hand of capital or to put it
another way an alternative to private enterprise or the state management
of capital
- neither a future regulated capital or the free market versions often
known as ‘neo-liberalism.’ A world in which we create old and new
commons based on our real needs as an alternative to the capitalist and
state system.
- Another thread that recognises that these crises have been bought down
on us by not only bankers and speculators, but also by bosses, landlords
and petty bureaucrats as well as all politicians and other members of
the ruling classes. They made it and it is for us to create new
relationships and egalatarian forms of organisation to push beyond
capitalism. We must stop them. Their arrogance is limitless. After
having caused the worst slump since the Great Depression, the same
banksters have thrown the world into insolvency would now like to appear
as saviors of the world economy: hypocrites full of @#%%**(*&%^, that’s
what they are!
- A thread that knows they are part of hundred of years of resistance to
the rule of murder, money, contrived panics, exploitation, poverty,
disorder, repression, annihilation and the destruction of the earth on
which we depend for survival.
- A thread that recognises the need for the interlinking of global
social and labor conflicts.
- A thread that is interested and actively debating and possibly trying
to create proposals for other worlds, – should we push for our trillions
too perhaps to be used as seeds to set up grassroots alternatives, what
would debt resistance or anti-eviction movements look like in our areas,
what of price reduction campaigns or other ways of providing for our
basic needs and freedom?
Perhaps massive globally co-ordinated anti-lay-off campaigns, community
building, unemployed workers movements, the blocking of cities, growing
homeless and temp-worker resistance, reclaiming of space for social
activities, strategies that asks questions and learns from other
seemingly unrelated struggles – a movements of networks …the eventual
occupation of all life by your desires… there are many other proposals
being considered. *
The can be no capitalist fix or new capitalist deal to the ecological
and capitalist crises — we will not beg, but create a new world — heal
this planet Earth.
The tactics or actions are open to you, mobilisations, blockades,
sit-ins, a few dignified placards – some leaflets or a teach-in,
political sabotage and other theatre – we have limitless desires and
long history to draw upon.
For this global action we call on the global anti-capitalist movements
and all those from below that are feeling the destruction of their lives
and our world, those already resisting from the grassroots or seeing the
need, to organise for and beyond November 15th 2008 – grassroots,
anti-capitalist action… Make plans. We hope this day will enrich the
many ongoing strategies of resistance that are going beyond protest **
After all these months of blinking in blank amazement at MT’s looney-tunes postings about the Federal Reserve, it FINALLY dawned on me that he was not just making this stuff up himself, but was tapping into an established network of Fed Reserve CONSPIRACY THEORIES — theories have their own following just like JFK assassination conspiracy theories, 9/11 conspiracy theories, no-one-ever-landed-on-the-moon conspiracy theories, and so on.
Accordingly, I realized someone out there in cyberspace probably has taken the trouble to debunk the Fed Reserve conspiracy theories, just as all the others are debunked if you look around a little bit. And so they have. In case any Ojai Post reader is even a little bit worried about MT’s Fed Reserve fantasies, here is a link to provide a little dose of reality:
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/MoneyBanking/FederalReserve/FRconspire/FRconspire.htm
I have three big problems with Fed conspiracy myth-makers.
First, their research is remarkably poor. As I investigated their claims, I found their arguments at many times inconsistent and self-contradictory, containing numerous factual errors, embellishments, and outright fabrications. The sources for some of their most serious charges were undocumented, unverifiable, and at best, dubious. When I began checking their research, I was startled at how easy it was to refute many of their basic premises with information readily available in most any public library or the internet. If their arguments can be countered so easily and with information available to anyone, then why did the conspiracy authors themselves not uncover the same things when they did their research? I can only speculate on that answer, but at the very least it is poor research — a clear case of selection bias: Report the information that supports the thesis, ignore the data that does not.
The second problem I have with the Fed conspiracy myths is that others promote them without checking on the validity of the claims. If a reader chooses to believe the conspiracy theories, then that is his business. It seems to me if he decides to pass along these myths, then he has a responsibility to do some minimal investigation to verify the claims. Probably few, if any, have actually done this because if they had, then like myself, they would have found that a mere cursory examination of the evidence would cast considerable doubt on the conspiracy claims.
The third problem I have with them is that they divert valuable resources from solving real problems. The conspiracy theorists have obviously motivated many people to political action who might otherwise be politically inert. This is good. Unfortunately, the efforts of these new activists are being directed at a problem which does not appear to exist. What a waste!
I first became interested in the Fed conspiracy myths around 1994. I encountered them in the internet Usenet groups, probably alt.conspiracy first. I thought them so bizarre that they could not possibly be true. Eventually, I decided after noting their persistent appearance and how many people seemed to believe them that they warranted closer scrutiny. They make some very serious allegations. If they were true, then I would feel compelled to oppose the Fed actively. If they were false, then I would feel equally compelled to debunk the bogus theories. The latter has happened and is the genesis of this collection of essays.
Some Fed conspiracy believers, when they found they could not refute my counterpoints on a factual basis, have accused me of working for the Fed or of being a “lap dog” or an “apologist” for the Fed and the Establishment. Nonsense. I do not and never have worked for any part of the Federal Reserve system. It is not my opinion that the Fed is a perfect institution, nor do I think the concept of central banking is fully consistent with a market economy. Along with many other economists I sometimes have legitimate criticisms of how the Fed operates and how it conducts policy.
A healthy debate about the Fed, central banking, and the financial system is desirable. Such a debate should take as its point of departure a basis in fact, not paranoid conspiratorial fantasy. I do not criticize the Fed conspiracy myths to defend the Fed; I do so to enhance the quality of the public’s debate about it. If drawing attention to the mistakes and falsehoods of the conspiracy myths is being an apologist, then I proudly count myself as one.
Although the introduction is confusing to me, as I read the body of comment 8 by Hone’ the Streets I felt that he or she was telling the truth.
david’s comment initially led me to hope that there was a good counterargument. I followed david’s link which led to Flaherty’s article. So david and Flaherty support each other. I read all of Flahety’s comment and almost all of his outline without going into much of his linked full articles.
I am disappointed that there is virtually no substance to all the verbiage that david and Flaherty put out. They use the same techniques that lawyers and the courts do: flood you with jargon, paperwork, bills and half-truths to void justice and truth. Their commitment is to save the system, not serve the billions who are crushed by it.
With the likes of david and Flaherty, you will never see the forest (or the whole truth) because david and Flaherty will force your attention away from the whole picture to not only the trees but the wrinkles on the branches. david and Flaherty are not interested in the whole truth and nothing but the truth not because they do not want to see the truth but because they are incapable of seeing it.
It’s a question of epistomology: what we know and how we know. If the mind does not link with the heart’s intuition in the process of truth seeking, it will be alienated from the real world resulting in the david Flaherty phenomena. The fact that it is the general cultural norm is no reasonable argument for its truth.
The mind serves the heart and if we have no heart to feel the sufferings of the world because of the new world order and its Fed, then all the verbiage in the world will not convince us of the heart’s truth. “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.” We agree to disagree. You go your way and I’ll go mine, and someday we’ll meet on the avenue, tangled up in blue. As a man thinketh, in his heart he will become. Or, as a man thinketh in his heart, he will become.
I love the davids and Flahertys of the world. If I had infinite patience, research capabilities and time, I would take each of Flahertys points and put them into a context of truth and love. Or, I can save myself the trouble and time, and direct them to look at the real world. Just see what’s happening. “You don’t need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows.”
In the end there is only Love. Love of truth is one variety. david and Flaherty love truth and so do I. Truth will out. As long as we speak cordially and honor sites of free expression like this one, and avoid patriarchal fascism in all its guises like the Fed. But there, I’ve begged the question with that last phrase, haven’t I? I beg your pardon.
Love and do what you will. It’s the same game still.
Love, Dennis. Love Dennis. He needs it.
Thank you David and Mr. Flaherty for trying to initiate a fact-based, logical discussion about this issue. I agree wholeheartedly with what the latter writes – i.e. that a) shouldn’t the ones perpetuating the argument about the Federal Reserve have at least some sort of factual basis to substantiate their claim(s)? And be able to discuss everything point by point logically and coherently? I haven’t seen that happen here on the OP. And b) like Noam Choamsky often talked about the real tragedy of the 9/11 Movement’s activism – I too believe that many of these “theories” (when they just continue to “float” around on the internet with no real substantive research or dialogue taking place) take precious focus and energy away from fighting against the real crimes carried out by this Administration.
I am not so willing to dismiss these Federal Reserve claims out of hand, but what HAS been sorely lacking is anyone from “their” side showing true comprehension on just what it is they are trying to put forth.
I for one do NOT come to the OP to be directed to the same old link or youtube “documentary” on such issues as the Federal Reserve paradigm. I can do that on my own. I come to hear what people are thinking and how they are evaluating what is going on in the world. So, with all due respect to Dennis and MT, until that happens, I continue to tune out your posts on these issues.
“They use the same techniques that lawyers and the courts do: flood you with jargon, paperwork, bills and half-truths to void justice and truth.”
Dennis: my brief comment contains no jargon whatsoever, and the link I provided is also singularly devoid of jargon, but rather speaks in plain English. Your reference to paperwork, bills, lawyers and courts is hyperbole bordering on hysteria.
This kind of response shows how deeply hypocritical is your presumed dedication to dialogue and rational inquiry.
Well, this is getting more and more interesting. It occurrred to me to check out Wikipedia to see if it had an entry for conspiracy theories, and if so, if the Federal Reserve conspiracy theories would be among them. Well, guess what? The Federal Reserve Conspiracy theories are the queen and leading member of the whole group!
And good company these theories keep too. If you look around in this article you will find the 9/11 conspiracy theories…. and the theories that say global warming is a hoax…. and the Clinton Body Count theories that claim Bill Clinton murdered some fifty or sixty of his political enemies on the way to the Presidency…. and all kinds of other notions to keep the paranoid delusional among us busy for several lifetimes….
So if any readers are skeptical of the previous link I posted, you may be interested in the link here to the wikipedia article….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories
if anyone wants to read what a ‘clone’ news-speaking local yocal wrote about the derivatives and options scams, and the Federal Reserve, and the need to do something about them … see the two articles by Rinaldo Brutoco courtesy Sally Carless at:
http://www.ojaipost.com/2008/10/economic_collapse_as_an_opport_1.shtml
if anyone wants the full 2.5 Megabyte analysis by Brutoco, leave your email address here or write me (amaterasu -at- fastmail -dot- com -dot- au) and I will forward it to you.
otherwise you are welcome to do your own research into who the FED is, who owns it, who controls it … and post the information here …
ditto the SEC …
As Polonius said to Hamlet’s father-in-law: “I use no art (jargon) at all.”
LTOR and david, your most recent comments illustrate the very point I was making above. If you can’t see it, you can’t see it. It’s OK. It’s all happening in the context of love. I can’t see the validity of your view either. We can only see what we can see.
In a free expression blog like this, we each express what we can see and believe in. I’m not calling you names, I hope. I’m monitoring my own preferences and prejudices and I’m not forcing my views on you, I hope, although you may feel that.
I believe that the Fed is part of a patriarchal conspiracy to push a new world order of suffering and death for billions in order to serve an evil elite. You don’t. I’m not saying I’m right but I am saying that the evidence I see convinces me of the truth of that viewpoint.
Millions share my view and millions share yours, and billions have no idea of what we’re discussing. What does matter is that we continue to talk in a loving and rational way. The more you talk, the better I get to know you, and then I can make a better choice as to my own beliefs.
I think this is what blogging is about. It builds a community of love or it breaks it apart. It’s just a modern tool of communication.
I don’t think that david-Flaherty’s view are fact-based or logical at all although they strive to give that appearance. They have obviously fooled at least one member of our community in LTOR. I know that’s my opinion and that david-Flaherty and LTOR disagree. They are entitled to their opinion as I am to mine.
There are factual bases to substantiate my view. Just look at the world today. What is the cause for all this cruel suffering? We need to get to the root of the problem. I don’t have time to keep repeating myself so I will give you the link to search for my deeper and less deep views if you wish to follow them. “loverearth aeonity blog” for the former and “thelovegovernment.blogstream” for the latter. Those links lead to others. The path of truth is a meandering one.
david-Flaherty represents the mainstream view. I don’t agree with it. If and when I have the time, I will revisit Flaherty’s article more thoroughly. Here I’m just laying out the general positions.
I disagree with Choamsky’s view about 911. He thinks it’s a distraction while I think it is the core of the problem. 911 truth is about that: truth and justice. What are the real crimes if not a crime like 911? Noam has another view which in my view is the weapon of mass distraction: intellectuals like himself who do not tell the whole truth, and in doing so are giving the lie to truth.
One final question to LTOR. If you come to the Post to “hear how people are thinking…”, why do you “continue to tune out [their] posts…”? What does “until that happens” mean? I don’t tune out your posts. I read them all carefully, except with a whole article like Flaherty’s which requires considerable time. Tuning people out is not showing “due respect.” I may not agree with people’s opinions but I try to listen carefully to what they say, and more importantly to what they do not say.
another legal/political hack, Ron Paul, introduced this bill in THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES on June 15, 2007
The Federal Reserve
Abolition Act – HR 2755
110th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 2755
To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.
It was referred to the Committee on Financial Services.
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act’.
SEC. 2. FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD ABOLISHED.
(a) In General – Effective at the end of the 1-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and each Federal reserve bank are hereby abolished.
(b) Repeal of Federal Reserve Act- Effective at the end of the 1-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, the Federal Reserve Act is hereby repealed.
(c) Disposition of Affairs-
(1) MANAGEMENT DURING DISSOLUTION PERIOD- During the 1-year period referred to in subsection (a), the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System–
(A) shall, for the sole purpose of winding up the affairs of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks–
(i) manage the employees of the Board and each such bank and provide for the payment of compensation and benefits of any such employee which accrue before the position of such employee is abolished;
and
(ii) manage the assets and liabilities of the Board and each such bank until such assets and liabilities are liquidated or assumed by the Secretary of the Treasury in accordance with this subsection; and
(B) may take such other action as may be necessary, subject to the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, to wind up the affairs of the Board and the Federal reserve banks.
(2) LIQUIDATION OF ASSETS-
(A) IN GENERAL – The Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall liquidate all assets of the Board and the Federal reserve banks in an orderly manner so as to achieve as expeditious a liquidation as may be practical while maximizing the return to the Treasury.
(B) TRANSFER TO TREASURY – After satisfying all claims against the Board and any Federal reserve bank which are accepted by the Director of the Office of Management and Budget and redeeming the stock of such banks, the net proceeds of the liquidation under subparagraph (A) shall be transferred to the Secretary of the Treasury and deposited in the General Fund of the Treasury.
(3) ASSUMPTION OF LIABILITIES- All outstanding liabilities of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks at the time such entities are abolished, including any liability for retirement and other benefits for former officers and employees of the Board or any such bank in accordance with employee retirement and benefit programs of the Board and any such bank, shall become the liability of the Secretary of the Treasury and shall be paid from amounts deposited in the general fund pursuant to paragraph (2) which are hereby appropriated for such purpose until all such liabilities are satisfied.
MT, to clarify, if Ron and Rinaldo are system-supporters and they are calling for the reigning in and/or abolishing of the Fed, what are they actually doing? Are they attempting to save the system based on our US constitution? Then the further question is: is the system itself corrupt? And since Congress and our president-elect are by now so embedded with the money elites, what difference will it really make if the Fed or the Congress controls the people’s money? That’s how I read you. Am I hearing you correctly?
aho Dennis,
Ron and Rinaldo want to continue the status quo servitude and poverty and disempowerment, under Crown Law and the Corporate State. They want to raise their status in it, and their take from it.
Neither proposes to end the PYRAMID — the money-system, the legal-system, the police-state, the medical-industry, the secret-government, or the industrial-monster — the PYRAMID promoted by all those predatory systems wherein the poor are arrested, victimized, robbed, imprisoned … that the middle and upper classes may collect their life’s-blood as their booty.
None of the News-Speak fraudsters — including Kuchinovich and Oblama-Sama (to date) — have proposed to end the CONSTITUTIONALLY-MANDATED violence against and disenfranchiesment of the woman and the poor, of the aboriginal peoples. None have proposed to end the Murder of the GrandMothers and our Mother Earth.
None of their ilk have proposed to end the tyranny of the Corporate State — and re-create the World Government with the sole proviso of one hundred percent inclusion of the women and poor and indigenous in ALL decisionmaking, and one hundred percent protection of the women and poor and indigenous from the evil guilds of church, industry and state.
this is the message of today, of Global Consciousness, of 13 November 2008, the Morning of the Sixth Sun of the Mayan Calendar … the returning of the Divine Feminine … Judgement of the Adi Shakti, Ma Adi, Ma Treyah, Maschiak, Messiah … Global Heart/Mind/Body awakened in thought, word, and deed.
Divine We, Sacred ALL, One connected …
They have obviously fooled at least one member of our community in LTOR.
Dennis, nobody has “fooled” me. Did you read what I wrote? Above and in another post I wrote that I am very open to hearing a true discussion about this issue. I am not necessarily predisposed (as I believe some are) to buy it hook, line and sinker (and remember it was you who jumped right aboard the Amero claims, even though what you were heralding as the Truth was coming out of the mouth of a known White Supremicist! Sorry, doll, but thems the facts!) Nor, am I willing to discard the idea that the FED is a sham, fraud, or an institution that has just out of step with the realities of our current global climate. What I would like to see is a debate based on logic, facts and critical thinking. Nothing more and nothing less. And although you have been given much slack here in the last year or so (and I sincerely think you deserve it) I for one will call you out if you distort the meaning of my words…
And when I say I tune out to your prolific offerings here, let me rephrase: I do read what you write, Dennis, but sorry – there isn’t much to sink my teeth into with regard to this issue. I apologize if that hurts your feelings, but when you push, you must expect some honesty.
I just arrived here at the Ojai Library to use their computer since my son needs to use his at home. I decided I have to take the time to follow up on david’s link to Fayherty. I need to read Fayherty carefully to be fair although I’ve already put in six hours of work at home on these and other issues.
I was also feeling that I was unfair to LTOR in saying she was fooled. Now I see the above posts and realize I want to respond.
First, MT, thanks much for the clarification. And it is clearer now to me what is going on. The Bushites and the Fed are going to be patsies, the fall guys to protect the system. More on that later.
Also, I must share the beauty of the Lover as she makes her appearance ala MT’s metanarrative. Last evening was spectacular in the northern valley tip of her nether lip. As the sun set in the west with a splendid Ojai pink moment the full moon rose in the east just over the mountain dip. As I stood in the garden and gathered greens and tomatoes, I could only marvel at her beauty. I kissed her in her shrine to honor the moment.
Then this morning when I got up the same message only in reverse. As the full moon set in the west the sun began to rise in the east creating the same kind of pink moment. I kissed her again.
In between the stars shown as they always do on a night like this. I dreamt but I don’t remember what; it seems that I am dreaming now while awake.
As to the Amero, yes I half believed it and said so. I just didn’t know about the coin-maker angle. Even that can be part of the introduction though. I have recently read more supporting information like a meeting and signed agreement between the three North American countries. And I also seem to recall that the Amero has been mentioned in official circles. Anyway one half mistake does not reduce the general force of my arguments. Had I known about the White Supremicist, it would have tempered my view. That’s why people like yourself are needed and I think I acknowledged that before.
I also picked up on your (LTOR) willingness to be open but failed to reference that so that wasn’t fair. You don’t hurt my feelings; rather the opposite.
I need to close this out and read Flaherty. I am open to the possibility that he is more correct on this particular issue than I am. I hope to know more in awhile.
I’m back sooner than I expected. This computer can’t find the web pages that link with Flaherty’s outline. My son’s computer at home did so I know they are there.
There is an introductory paragraph in red which states that “we” are posting this to be fair to the “opposing site.” So what is the site that is posting Flaherty’s article? I also note that the article was written in 2000. It makes me wonder if Flaherty is a rare bird since something from so long ago is dug up out of an opposing site. I’m quite sure if I googled Fed opponents, I’d find thousands if not tens of thousands of references against the fed. And if what MT says is true about mainstreamers calling for its abolition, the Fed is toast anyway.
However, the question may be moot since as I responded to MT above that the real bone of contention is with the Congress and the Constitution. In other words, this Red Fed is already a red herring.
I feel the breath of the Lover in not being able to read Flaherty. Maybe she’s trying to save me time. I may not have to read him after all although it would be a fun but laborious exercise. If I’m up to it, I’ll try again tomorrow morning on my son’s Mac. I’m curious about this Edward Flaherty. Maybe I’ll google him and do research like LTOR did on the Amero.
Hi. Back again.
I feel the Lover in every grain of sand. She was right on again.
I googled Edward Flaherty and clicked on the first entry, and arrived at Freedom Force International by G. Edward Griffin. Now there’s a respected name that is current. He will serve as my answer to Flaherty. The Lover has indeed saved me much time.
But I also must thank LTOR for setting the example of first checking sources. Please do what she says. Read what I read and then get back to me. I think I said in my above posts something about half-truths. Here is an example.
My general argument holds tight but some of the details need clarification. For example, I have read that the Rothchilds have a large interest in the Fed. Griffin disputes this. Now how am I, a layman, supposed to sort this out?
I tend to be gullible as LTOR has pointed out. In fact, I call myself a fool.
Dharma, I enjoy your poetry but I cannot follow your directive. I’m too foolish, I guess. I know that I speak because I don’t know. I can’t follow the Buddha on that one either. I speak because that is the way I know. I also admit to “verbal masturbation.” In fact, just this morning I did a blog on loverearth aeonity blog on sacred masturbation by the Lover. I view masturbation in a much larger contextual field than genital masturbation. Mental masturbation fits somewhere in between. The Lover is playing games again; the text of this posting is slightly off the page. I think I’m getting off topic. As to going to a nunnery, I think it would be fun but a monastery would be more appropriate; however, I was in a monastery and it was not that much fun.
OK. The text just slipped back into proper place so I guess the Lover has brought me back on topic.
7 minutes remaining at this computer but it will probably give me another 10 since there are empty seats all around.
Exactly. I just got another 10 for 14 now.
Hey. What can I say? It’s just a typical day. I love to read what you all write. This virtual community is sort of like a monastery with a vow of silence, except for the clicking of keys and heels as the monks make their rounds. I suppose it’s the same in a nunnery. We used to joke about the tunnel between the monastery and the nunnery. I never believed it; I’m not that gullible and I wouldn’t have had the courage even if a tunnel did exist. When it comes to love I’m pretty fearful; that’s why I talk about it–it’s safer, like the virtual world. Real love is not so virtual; I guess that was the thinking behind the incarnation. Geez, I can’t see my knees with all this mind-spinning; I was going to say mind something else but thought better of it. I think this is called a stream of consciousness. I do a lot of that in my book but it’s more controlled by a love context. I don’t know what comes over me. Maybe I should follow Dharma’s advice, or Dvorah’s and shut up. I think about that everyday and everyday something else opens my mouth. Am I addicted to my own words? I think about that everyday too. I’ve quit thousands of times but then I take another drink of that love nectar. I think I am addicted. It’s sad but true. What to do? I haven’t the foggiest. AA has 12 steps. Lover Earth Government has 52. Right now at loverearth aeonity blog I’m at 3 and I’ve alread done 37 blogs. Quite a way to go. What do I know? Nothing. Love. That’s about all I know, or want to know. Love is all there is as far as I’m concerned. That includes loving my mind and ego as they are, and they aren’t too much as you can plainly see.
I think I’ll head on over to Meiners Oaks library and do some catch up at Information Clearing House. I need clear information. That’s why I come here and go there. Why do i FEEL (oops) that I’m talking to myself? Gee, I think there’s a message in i FEEL. I must decrease and she must increase. I’ll take LTOR’s advice and check my sources. Thanks.
good grief, Dennis… it doesn’t say, “opposing site”…. it says, “opposing side”…..
Flaherty is not addressing a particular web site but the whole network of Fed conspiracy theories…. that is what he means by “opposing side”
and don’t be fooled by MT’s bait-and-switch arguments…. Rinaldo Brutico’s and Ron Paul’s critiques of the Federal Reserve system have almost nothing in common with the MUCH more extreme conspiracy theories that MT is trying to push…. he is trying to get you to confuse the two in order to provide a figleaf of credibility to his looney-tune theories…..
Thanks for the correction on site vs side. My question still stands. Who is saying opposing side? Who is the “we” who makes that statement.
david, your comment came in with my latest. Please check out Griffin’s response to Flaherty as well as my last comment.
re: “the problem is not the rothschilds or the vatican or the fed reserve, but capital”, in response to Twain calling for a protest of the Federal Reserve
a sound place to begin is learning how to spell the name of the dynasty Rothschild!
It is neither the one (members of the ‘elite’ and their institutions of
plunder) nor the other (a deified, reified ‘capital’); it is not an
either-or choice; it is BOTH.
Capital is a social relations survived by and [re-]produced by real
people, so who ALL those people are is of the UTMOST importance! It
determines ‘who we are’ and ‘who we could be’ AS A WHOLE. Only by and in
examining ALL the actions and behaviors and personalities of ’soldiers’
in the ‘war of all against all’ will the supersession be revealed and
dis-alienatedly achieved.
Who makes up the bourgeoisie, what they are doing to evolve their class,
what they are specifically doing to master our class, what they are
doing to consolidate within their own class, and what they are doing to
maintain and/or evolve capital social relations is VITALLY important.
To view them anti-subjectively reveals an anti-subjectivity in the way
in which one views the core alienated activity that IS the capital
social relation.
If you deny one you deny the other, and that is self-expose of the
Leninist, the Fabianist, the Jacobinist, the authoritarian socialist,
the elitist, or, in other words, that is the character-armor, the
internalized ideology, and the very basis for the social relation of
state-capital. The agents/experts of subjugation are constantly
upgrading their “sell” by recuperating any and all fragmentary revolts.
In fact, they precisely engineer/design false oppositions all the time
to ‘head off’ any authentically- lived revolts. The ‘revolutionary
subject’ (the freely-associating and non-self-alienating ,
non-self-sacrificin g, non-self-spectating , human in their own drivers’
seat) is the greatest fear of all alienated authority, especially noted
in “the left” and “the right”, those co-dependent wardens whose goal it
is to preserve the proletariat for capital.
Generalized elitism wants us all to “shut up” and act according to their
“plan” (or really, for that matter, ANY plan outside of our own). We are
supposed to act as ‘history-objects’ , as “followers”, as ’spectators to
our own existences’ with them defining “new” rules for conduct. Some
change?! All we are supposed to do is to fulfill the groaning wet-dreams
of pre-packaged reality pushers and their pre-packaged sublimation known
as “THE revolution”.
Real revolution throws that out with the rest of the “big lie”. We shall
not be objects any longer. We shall be subjects and no longer
pseudo-objects, whilst commodities will no, longer be pseudo-subjects.
Any revolution will be based in ’subjectivity armed’ or it will be just
another counter-revolution that objectifies and implements banalities
from dead-and-dying imaginations.
our Winds of Love our blowing, Dennis,
HER transformative consciousness, of the Global Rainbow of subtlest completeness.
an African-American family in the White House, the Sixth GrandMother Sun of the Mayan Calendar (consciousness, personality) arisen this day.
and Chris presents the Global (Working, Poor, Indigenous) question of ‘What is Capital?’, and “Who we are as a Whole?” rather than the property of the elite intelligence ’state’.
how can, as LTOR (and david?) suggest, can we represent the Whole of human perspective and intelligence — rather than simply the US news-speakers or the pseudo-New Age hate spreaders?
What is the difference, the ethos of this transformation we are in the midst of, between Capital and Consciousness? Between the Old Boy System of Patriarch and Peasant, and the Aquarian Age Web of Universal Sovereignty, Planetwide Enlightenment?
In Traditional Chinese Medicine all sickness, all ‘dis-ease’, all separation from divine experience, is witnessed to result from a stoppage of Chi. [viz. a bloated patriarch, or a dammed river, ending life and knowing and growing … to preserve the ‘perceived’ power of an elite to remain frozen in its black karma.
Thus, perhaps, ‘Capital’? A puss-bag of unhappiness stemming from the closeting of Chi?
Compare our historical memories of North America … some five hundred years ago … a living flowing river continent of sacred life, all our relations, where a squirrel could nearly cross from New England to Goddess Moon, by flitting tree-to-tree, branch-to-branch, and never touch the ground!
We, humanity, when ‘counseled’ or ‘inspirited’ by the food, the culture, the white karma of all peoples, all cultures, all tribes, all individuals, become a seven-billion-faceted jewel of integrity. We no longer are possessed by a ’small’ provincial bully demon-spirit, as we have uncounted rainbow devas to protect us, every One!
So, we come to the Traditional Chinese Medicine concept of Gong — the celestial or immortal spirit — as compared to the worldly mortal spirit who never escapes the karmic cycles of self-and-tribal abuse.
Living midst the whole spiritual spectrum of Divine Creation, the Celestial Wilderness … in service to all humankinds everywhere. Stewards of the sacred garden, including our Mother Earth returning.
In HER light, arisen, returned, this holiest day.
The Birth of Legal Counterfeiting
by George F. Smith
“Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.” — Fifth plank of the Communist Manifesto, 1848
Crisis has been very good to government growth. It happens this way: the central government never does wrong, yet the evil that lurks in the world will on occasion strike us. Sometimes the evil is external, as in 9-11, other times it is internal, as in the case of certain economic upheavals. When the crisis is mostly economic, the culprit is always the private sector, and the guilty parties are usually big shots who got swept away with avarice. With a lapdog media clamoring for “reform,” politicians pass more laws and flood the airwaves with rhetoric about how their new legislation will crush the forces of greed. Most of us then go about our business, hoping that causality is not an avenging angel.
In the era following the War of Secession, the federal government aggressively promoted development of the West through huge subsidies and other favors to business cronies. Corruption flourished, and overextended banks occasionally failed, causing panics in 1873, 1884, 1893, and 1907. Throughout this era there was growing opposition to sound money, eloquently expressed by railroad speculator Jay Cooke in 1869: “Why,” he asked, “should this Grand and Glorious country be stunted and dwarfed–its activities chilled and its very life blood curdled by these miserable ‘hard coin’ theories–the musty theories of a bygone age.” [1]
The Panic of 1907 is especially significant because it led to government-directed banking “reform.” The panic got underway when United Copper’s stock price collapsed. Knickerbocker Trust of New York had invested heavily in United Copper, and depositors made a run on the bank to get their money out. When Knickerbocker failed, depositors at other banks got nervous and demanded their money, igniting the panic. [2]
J. P. Morgan got together with other banking leaders and met virtually nonstop for three weeks to solve the crisis. They secured credit from foreign investors, redirected funds from strong banks to weak ones, and bought stock in foundering but still promising companies. [3] The panic died a few weeks later.
For the New York bankers, there remained a much more serious problem. The growth of state banks over the previous 20 years had slowly eroded their power. By 1896, state and other nonnational banks constituted 61% of the total, and by 1913, 71%. More significantly, nonnationals commanded 57% of banking resources by 1913. [4]
With such a troubling trend, what did the New York bankers do? They turned to their pals in Washington. As we’ve seen, from the time of Lincoln’s administration government sought to partner with business, delivering special favors in return for political support. This is mercantilism, the system we rejected in 1776. By the early 20th century, we were neck-deep in Progressive propaganda, and there was no viable group opposing government takeover of our lives. The once laissez-faire, sound-money Democratic Party died with the nomination of William Jennings Bryant for president in 1896. From that point on, both Republicans and Democrats were promoting more statism as the miracle cure for ills it had breeded.
Both Congress and the American Banking Association had been pushing for central banking since the 1890s. The Panic of 1907 gave them another excuse to go after it. Amid all the maneuvering and proposals, Morgan banker Henry Davison organized a duck hunting trip at Jekyll Island, Georgia in December, 1910. The ducks they took aim at were not the web-footed kind, but the unsuspecting American citizen who had always thought of money as gold.
The hunters were major players in American mercantilism: Senator Nelson Aldrich (R., R.I.), who had headed up the National Monetary Commission, a congressional committee dedicated to developing ideas for central banking; Frank Vanderlip of Rockefeller’s National City Bank; Paul Warburg of the investment firm of Kuhn, Loeb, & Co., who was there to promote the German central bank of Bismarck; Charles Norton of First National Bank of New York, a Morgan company; and Davison, a partner of J.P. Morgan’s. [5]
They devised a plan whereby a board of commercial bankers would supervise regional reserve banks. When Aldrich later introduced it to Congress, Democrats blocked it. In 1913, Carter Glass, a Democratic congressman from Virginia, used the Jekyll Island scheme as the basis for the Federal Reserve Act. [6]
The Act created 12 regional reserve banks ruled by a board of Washington bureaucrats, including the Treasury secretary and presidential appointees. Though the 12 reserve banks are officially “private” institutions, they’re little different than government agencies, as Murray Rothbard noted.
In this manner government seized what Rothbard called “a crucial command post” of the economy, and therefore of the American society. [7] It used crisis — repeated panics created by government meddling — and the economic illiteracy and trust of the public to achieve its purpose.
And what has it sown from its command post? A subtle means of wealth transfer. A method of taxing us without legislation. A way of counterfeiting money legally. “Through the purchase of [usually government] debt by a bank, fiat money is injected into the economy,” Gary North writes. [8] “Wealth then moves to those market participants who gain early access to this newly created fiat money,” who are usually politically connected. The ones on fixed incomes or without close government connections bear the cost of higher prices later, as the money injection passes through the economy.
As most people know by now, the Fed greatly reduced reserve requirements during the 1920s, expanding credit recklessly and generating a false prosperity that ended in the crash of 1929. People understood that the Fed was manufacturing dollars out of thin air and started to pull their money out of banks, converting them to gold. Roosevelt closed the banks, then announced it was illegal to own gold. He forced people to give back to the Fed what was rightfully theirs. In 1933 Roosevelt made the dollar fiat currency domestically, but backed by gold internationally.
Roosevelt also created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in 1933, providing federal guarantee of bank deposits. Bank runs and the threat thereof have vanished, and most people believe this is good. But as Lew Rockwell observes, “The government-banking cartel regards the bank run–the threat of which used to keep wanton investing at bay–as against the national interest. As a result, the industry is perpetually shaky, and the largest banks are a menace to public life itself.” [9]
Prior to 1929 the government had never intervened to help recovery from a recession. Previous administrations had let recessions run their course and recovery, at the hands of the market, usually occurred in a year or less. Hoover, and then Roosevelt to a much greater degree, took the statist course and drove the economy into a prolonged depression. For this, Roosevelt has been deified.
The Fed is the keystone of government wrong-doing. As Ludwig von Mises wrote long ago, “Ideologically, [sound money] belongs in same class with political constitutions and bills of rights.” [10] In the name of civil liberty and civilization itself, the Fed should be abolished.
References
1. The Mystery of Banking, Murray Rothbard, New York: Richardson and Snyder, 1983. p. 135. (PDF version)
2. Separating Money and the State, Part I: Eighty Years of Destruction, Douglas E. French,
3. The Panic of 1907 and the Birth of the Federal Reserve, Jim Klann, 4. Rothbard, p. 136.
5. Rothbard, p. 137.
6. French
7. Taking Money Back, Murray Rothbard,
8. Rothbard, Mystery of Banking, Forward by Gary North.
9. Banks on the Dole, Llewellyn H. Rockwell, 10. The Theory of Money and Credit, Ludwig von Mises, Yale University Press, 1953, p. 414.
Synthesis, dynamics, dialectics.. .. methodological inquiry and resolve that precedes the recuperation by that murderous, , banker-agent and love-twit, Vladimir Lenin.
And, it is possible without the statism of Hegel, as definitively expressed by Mikhail Bakunin, Joseph Dietzgen, and Ludwig Feuerbach.
Thanks for the above posts; adds to my education in things sI never learned in school.
My intuition tells me the Reds are behind all this wealth transfer scheming. The Red-shields, the red flag fascists, high leveraged red-necks and all those who wash their hands in the blood of innocents through their war machines.
I just finished a blog, “Blog 38 Heart of the Matter” on Loverearth Aeonity Blog which gets to the heart of my views as part my retelling of herstory from Lover Earth Government.
End the Fed is a red herring. End the Red would be more in our interest but that’s a long row to hoe in getting back to the Garden of Millenium Eve.
I just re-read chris’ comment 25 after reading it in another place which was posted by MT. It has some profound truth in it not immediately evident to me upon a first or second reading. What hit home was that yes, BOTH explanations are needed, and to deny one is to deny the other. The Personal and the Impersonal, always this eternal battle; or love affair, depending on which way you look at it. Thanks to all on this site, the profound as well as the banal. It’s all one Love and it’s all good.
Dennis-
as fires rage all around us, yours is the ONLY real fire that inspires me, devours me.
please, will you take me, will you have me…??
I’d have to know who you are first. And you’d have to understand that this is not about me or you. It’s about the “real fire,” as you correctly notice. But keep on talking. We’ll get to know one another, love, soon enough.
what does it matter?
i am you.
you are me.
we are “in it” together.
why not just “complete” each other?
Tuesday, 18 November 2008, there will be a film screening and discussion on a documentary on the secret history of the birth of the Federal Reserve that largely orchestrated 9/11 and the 10/10 financial drama we are experiencing today, and produced the incentives for war and greed by the secret corporate-intelligence complex.
MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE:
The Secret Birth of the Federal Reserve
http://www.madcowprod.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MP&Product_Code=MOTU
A timely film by Daniel Hopsicker.
Green Fields Market, Greenfield, Massachusetts
Tuesday, November 18, 2008; 5:30 PM
Because we have to be ourselves first before we can complete anything. True, I am you but not until I am “true to myself.” Otherwise I’ll be false to everyone, including you, and I choose not to do that.
Got to run. See you later.
ah Dennis-
why doth thou reject my every advance?
i come before thee, my soul as bared as my body and thou treatest me like the vilest swine.
I know your innermost passions and i am certain we are destined to taste each other’s secrets, whether they be red, blue or brown.
move over for the lover, the lust, the last…
Our people’s consciousness revolution is also at it’s core “the whole is greater than the sum of its parts”.
I guess that would mean that Gestalt psychology, systems theory, holistic health,Buddhist/existentialist/Situationist concepts of ‘totality’ (versus mutually-exclusive fragmentizations or sanitizable, exchangeable separated ‘parts’), quantum physics, and such like expressions of matrix synthesis are also odiferous “counterintel”?!
Experts estimate the total wealth of the planet is $750 TRILLION, give or take $25 TRILLION. The Rothschild family controls some $350-400 TRILLION of that and the Rockefeller family owns another $125 TRILLION. Those two families control two-thirds of the world’s wealth. Is there anyone so ignorant as to believe men with such power would “allow” the world’s premier nation to have its leaders selected by free and open elections by the people? Of course not. Lord Rothschild and David Rockefeller (since John D. died) have selected our presidents beginning with Woodrow Wilson in 1912, and ALL since.
“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years……It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.” – David Rockefeller, recorded at the 1991 meeting of the Bilderberg Group in Baden-0Baden, Germany
“Now, as you know, I was clever enough to be born into a little money… Well, most of it’s nice Mr. Rothschild’s money actually but he’s given me a wonderful little interest free loan for a while so it doesn’t really matter where it came from. What matters now is that it’s mine, and I’ve got lot’s and lots of it and I’m afraid to have to remind you that you haven’t.” – David Rockefeller, quoted from his book “Memoirs”
thanks again, Chris, Dennis, all!
and Jack Lancaster, kia ora!
and that would NOT be the planet, valued at about $800 Trillion, but rather the corporate state and private real estate — and the number I had was closer to a 1,000 Trillion.
however your numbers agree with mine, re: the $350-400 Trillion for the Rothschild Family, yet I had only read of some $50 Trillion for the ‘House Rockefeller”. Hoping you, or some one of our global consciousness family out here, has some good URL links for us to better hone in on the magnitude of the Rockefeller assets — tens of Trillions or hundreds of Trillions?!
time for a global redistribution of wealth … away from those who stole the wealth in 9/11 and 10/10 … to seven billions of us planetwide … for the sole purpose of stewardship and healing … returning the forests, rainforests, rivers, wetlands, oceans, life, tenfold! [tenfold from their currently destroyed 96 percent!]
here is a note I just penned to the FAS — re: the magnitude of the global gangster state — hope to get more official numbers soon … but meanwhile see chart below from 1990s US intelligence numbers, one hundred thousand in the US alone …
http://www.fas.org/irp/commission/budget.htm
Millennium Twain wrote:
November 16th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
kia ora, FAS!
Maori blessings!
I haven’t been to the FAS web-archives for many years — glad to have found my way back. Will circulate the FAS website widely, and bring more attention to your public service facilitating the ending of the evil corrupt secret government of power and privilege.
Will look through the archives and see how navigable they are. What I am seeking today is an overall look at the GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, both governmental and corporate/banking (viz. Rockefeller and Rothschild et al) to determine the numbers of personnel — approx. 1 Million governmental and 1 Million banking? — employed today to run the ‘theatre’ of world government and public disinformation.
i.e., how many in the world government intelligence ‘class’ who are above Constitutional Law, above the jurisdiction of the civilian courts, above ethical and moral codes of conduct.
with and for all our sacred relations,
arohanui, enfolding love,
Millennium Twain
father of the US/Intl Space Station Program,
publisher of the Structure of the Atomic Nucleus
..
2 Millions governmental and 2 Millions banking?
Millennium Twain
father of the US/Intl Space Station Program,
publisher of the Structure of the Atomic Nucleus
David Rockefeller, Dick Cheney, George Bush …
of those 3,000 lives ‘lost’ in your 9/11 collapse of the Twin Towers, how many were actually, involuntarily, murdered by you? [and how many were simply 'disappeared' and given new names and identities?]
Bush and the G20 met (11/14/2008) to begin the implementation of a new Global Financial Dictatorship. Discussions about a “world currency” and “New World Order” were bandied about as though the average worker was not going to understand that these globalists are plotting the greatest “robbery” in world history.
What they intend is to impose a Global currency and thus a Global government. In doing so they hope to force countries to give up their sovereignty while burdening the Working Class with the cumulative debt incurred from decades of Globalist Ponzi scams. This cannot be allowed to move forward as such a scheme will leave the American Working Class hopelessly indebted for generations to come. Millions upon millions will find themselves without their homes, their jobs and their very futures.
The time for discussion is over. The time for action has begun. And the first thing that you can do is call for an end to the Federal Reserve on Saturday, November 22nd, 2008. This is one of the planks of the “New Agenda for America” and will go a long way toward destabilizing the Globalist agenda. Please go to the following link and make a point of attending one of the 39 Nationwide events.
End the Fed Protest Locations
Saturday, November 22nd, 2008
http://endthefed.us/organize.php
Twain-
I am one of those who was “murdered” on 9/11.
I was forewarned, then vetted, then advanced tens of millions which swore me to secrecy.
However my pledge was only for 7 years.
Now I am free to reveal.
I will be saying more.
Please continue to pay attension.
International anarchist communist statement on the global economic crisis and G20 meeting, endorsed by Alternative Libertaire (France), Federazione dei Comunisti Anarchici (Italy), Melbourne Anarchist Communist Group (Australia) and Zabalaza Anarchist Communist Front (South Africa).
Anarchist Communist Statement On The Global Economic Crisis And G20 Meeting
1.The current crisis is typical of the crises that regularly appear in the capitalist economy. “Overproduction”, speculation and subsequent collapse are inherent to the system. (As Alexander Berkman and others have pointed out, what capitalist economists call overproduction is actually underconsumption: capitalism prevents large numbers of people from fulfilling their needs, and so undermines its own markets.)
2.Any solution to the crisis prepared by capitalists and governments will remain a solution within capitalism. It will not be a solution for the popular classes. Indeed, as in every crisis, the workers and the poor are paying – while financial capital is being bailed out with huge sums. This is likely to continue. No change within capitalism can resolve the problems of the popular classes; still less can such a solution be expected from individual politicians, such as Barack Obama. The most such politicians can do is play a part in offering the capitalists a way out, and perhaps in throwing the working class some crumbs.
3.The bank bailouts show not only whose interests the state serves, but the hollowness of capitalist commitment to free markets. Throughout history, capitalists have stood for markets when it suits them, and state regulation and subsidies when they need it. Capitalism could never have existed without state support.
4.In the US, the UK and elsewhere, the bailouts have taken the form of nationalisation of troubled financial institutions – with the full support of capital. This shows that capitalists have no fundamental problem with state ownership, and that nationalisation has nothing to do with socialism. It can also be a method of screwing the working class. We ourselves, not the state, need to take control of the economy.
5.Owing to the globalisation of capital under neo-liberalism, the ruling class recognises that the solution must be global. The G20 is meeting from 15 November to discuss the crisis. This is significant. The rulers of the US, Europe and Japan are coming to realise that they cannot handle the crisis on their own; that they need, not only one another, but other powers, notably China (which is emerging as a top industrial producer, and is on its way to becoming the world’s third-biggest economy). India, Brazil and other “emerging” economies will have seats at the table. This may mark a recognition – under discussion for some years – that the G8 alone are no longer the world’s economic decision makers. It is likely to signal a shift in the running of the global economic system.
6.We place no hopes in the inclusion of new capitalist powers. China’s rulers may claim to be socialist; others, such as Lula of Brazil and Motlanthe of South Africa, may present themselves at times as champions of the poor. But in fact, all are defenders of capitalism, exploiters and oppressors of the people of their own countries, and, increasingly, imperialist or sub-imperialist exploiters of the people of other countries.
7.If the crisis is to lead to anything other than complete defeat for the global popular classes, poverty, exploitation and war, the popular classes must mobilise. We must demand bailouts, not for the capitalists, but for us. We anarchist communists will fight for those who got homes on subprime mortgages to be bailed out and keep their homes. We will continue to engage in and support struggles for jobs with better wages and shorter hours, housing, services, health services, welfare and education, protection of the environment. We fight for an end to imperialist wars and to repression of our class and its struggles.
8.We present these demands in response to the G20 meeting, and will continue to present them in the future. Through such demands, and through direct action to bring them about, we will work towards building a global movement of the popular classes that can put an end to capitalism, the state and the crises they create.
Signed:
Alternative Libertaire (France)
http://www.alternativelibertaire.org
Federazione dei Comunisti Anarchici (Italy)
http://www.fdca.it
Melbourne Anarchist Communist Group (Australia)
http://melbourneanarchistcommunistgroup.org
Zabalaza Anarchist Communist Front (South Africa()
http://www.zabalaza.net
GLOBAL PUSH TO CREATE MULTI-NATIONAL SPY AGENCY
London, NWV — Under a United Kingdom government security plan examined by reporters from the London-based Daily Telegraph, all countries would submit classified — even top secret — information into a central European intelligence unit so that any member nation will have access to it.
But the proposals risk hard won intelligence gathered by British agents being leaked by less scrupulous security services, particularly in the former Communist states of Eastern Europe, according to security experts and writers Bruno Waterfield and Duncan Gardham.
Although the Government has contributed to the proposals being drawn up as part of unifying European countries and their resources, Britain’s security services — MI5, the internal agency, and MI6, the overseas intelligence agency — will likely put up stiff opposition to these plans, claim Waterfield and Gardham.
“This is serious business even for the United States,” said former US Marine intelligence officer and NYPD detective Sid Frances.
“The United States shares top secret intelligence with the British intelligence and law enforcement agencies. That means that very soon, US secrets will be distributed to nations that should not have access to our military and law enforcement secrets,” claims the decorated Marine and cop.
Historically British intelligence officers have enjoyed a good relationship with their US counterparts, regularly exchanging information particularly in the fight against terrorism.
However, there has been a degree of mistrust between the British authorities and European security agencies. In the 1990s the French intelligence service was blamed for leaking information shared by MI6 to the Serbian military,
“We have well-worked principles about how we share information using bilateral relationships built up over many years,” said Waterfield and Gardham.
“We share information whenever we need to do so and while the idea of dumping everything in a big pool may have a superficial attraction, we would want to know that everyone was contributing equally and the information shared was properly protected.”
The intelligence-sharing plan from the European Union Future Group is expected to form the basis of legislation next year and calls on countries to abandon the “principle of confidentiality” which has governed the sharing of intelligence for decades.
The proposals stop short of calling for a European spy agency but say there is a need for “increased synergies between police and security intelligence services.”
It suggests a network of “antiterrorist centers” in each country coordinated by SitCen, the European Union’s central intelligence assessment center in Brussels.
“While the US won’t directly be involved in consolidating European intelligence, any secrets we share with Britain, France, Germany, Israel, Japan or other countries will be open to espionage by enemy nations or terrorist groups,” warns Det. Frances.
“Once we submit classified information to foreign entities, we no longer have control over what groups have access to our secrets,” he added.
Service (RG) is the main domestic intelligence agency in the French government. In Israel A’man is the military intelligence agency, Shin Bet coordinates internal counterintelligence, and Mossad is responsible for foreign and Middle East intelligence.
Sismi is Italy’s military intelligence agency. SISDE is the domestic Italian unit. Switzerland’s national foreign intelligence agency is the Strategic Intelligence Service (SIS). It also has the AIS for the Armed Forces, and the AFIS for the Air Force.
Further multi-national proposals suggest standardizing police surveillance techniques and extending the sharing of DNA and fingerprint databases to include CCTV video footage and material gathered by “spy drones.”
The plans are based on the idea that the EU can do better than national governments with the report adding: “It appears that this sector cannot be managed politically by individual member states.”
It is also suggests that the European Gendarmerie Force (EGF), which currently only involves France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands, should become an EU body.
The proposal will step up pressure on the UK to allow the deployment of armed foreign police officers in Britain during “crisis” situations, including public order disturbances at international summits.
Other proposals include the formation of a paramilitary police force which can be deployed by a Brussels “mission command” in international hotspots outside the EU’s borders.
The confidential 53-page document, called European Home Affairs in an Open World, sets out plans for an EU program of security measures from 2010 to 2014.
It has been drafted by a top-level group consisting of justice ministers from Germany, Portugal, Slovenia, France, the Czech Republic and Sweden as well as the European Commission.
The plans have alarmed both the Conservatives and civil libertarians as both an erosion of national sovereignty and a threat to freedom.
Dominic Grieve, the Shadow Home Secretary, told the British press, “This report reveals the enormous scope of Brussels’ ambitions for EU control over vital areas of national security policy. While practical cooperation between EU partners is important — the Government must resolutely resist any attempt to fetter British control over this important policy area.”
Government sources said they were still considering the proposals but were keen to see greater cooperation in gathering intelligence at European borders. A Home Office spokesman said: “The UK has followed the workings of the Future Group and has fed in where possible.
“The report contains some useful ideas regarding how EU countries can cooperate on global issues such as combating terrorism.”
SD 911 Truth, WeAreChangeLA, Orange County 9-11 Truth & WeAreChangeLB, in solidarity with other freedom loving groups in Southern California, will be Downtown LA to protest the existence of the treasonous corporation known as the Federal Reserve.
Join this peaceful protest and show the FED that we detest their private banking cartel!
Let’s send a clear message that we support sound money and the abolishing of the Unconstitutional Federal Reserve.
Most of us go through life not knowing that the Federal Reserve is actually not part of the U.S. Government, but rather a private banking cartel that has illegally taken over the United States of America. The current global crisis is the new 9-11, orchestrated by the Federal Reserve and all the private central banks around the globe. They are purposely tanking the stock markets, purposely tanking the banks, and purposely tanking their own currencies in order to drop the hammer on the freedom loving people on this planet.
Freedom not Fear. Freedom loving people nationwide are meeting on the anniversary of the creation of this vile institution to protest its establishment and demand its elimination. Will you join us?
On November 22, 1910 a malevolent Creature was conceived in the darkness.
Every Fed Bank. Every Fed Office
Thirty-Eight Cities. One Purpose.
Boston, Philadelphia, New York City, Washington, D.C., Buffalo, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Richmond, Baltimore, Charlotte, Atlanta, Birmingham, Jacksonville, Miami, Nashville, New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Little Rock, Louisville, Memphis, Minneapolis, Helena, Kansas City, Denver, Oklahoma City, Omaha, Dallas, El Paso, Houston, San Antonio, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Portland, Salt Lake City, Seattle
The End Begins November 22, 2008
END THE FED song here:
http://www.endthefed.us
This Saturday, I’m headed down to L.A. to join the End the Fed rally (one of 39 across the nation).
If anyone wants to go, I have room in my car for two, possibly three, people.
Where: FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
950 S Grand Ave
Los Angeles CA 90015
When: Saturday November 22, 2008
11a.m. – 4p.m.
Why is dismantling the Federal Reserve important? Because this non-federal bank cartel was created by fraud, against Constitutional mandate, and has sucked the wealth out of this country like a vacuum cleaner.
Jock
jock@therevolutionwillnotbeorganized dot org
Dean,
any educated guesses, or talk, about who was the numerologist who suggested the 9/11 date to end the JP Morgan Gold Antitrust lawsuit by bringing down their towers? Alan Greenspan, David Rockefeller, Arthur Levitt, Harvey Pitt who was selected to preside over the market takeover? Bush senior, Dick Cheney, Bush junior, Al Gore?
who is The Man with the all-seeing, pyramid high, eye?
Robert Rubin or Stephen Friedman of Goldman Sachs, or Henry Paulson of same lineage? Rubin, who served as Treasury Secretary under Clinton and Gore, certainly would know. He currently serves as Vice Chairman of the Council of Foreign Relations.
They ALL would know …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Corzine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rubin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Paulson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Scowcroft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Friedman_(PFIAB)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_of_the_Federal_Reserve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Securities_and_Exchange_Commission
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Foreign_Intelligence_Advisory_Board
all and all seems a VERY small and incestuous group of ‘intelligence’ and banking (spook and bankster) insider/traders in Washington. perhaps the new Obama administration will lock them all up, until they “spill the (their) beans”?
Millennium Twain
MI7 Shadow Secretary
Global Intelligence Group
– In CliffordPickover, on 20/11/08, Dean Lett wrote:
You’re almost as aloof as Greenspan:
“As for mystique, at the Fed it is a well developed
art form. It has had no better practitioner than its
former chairman, the celebrated Alan Greenspan, chief
priest at the temple from 1987 to 2006. Like many
central bank chiefs around the world, he has
cultivated an impenetrable linquistic style for use in
public. His first technique is inaccessibility. He has
never given a media interview since taking the
chairmanship, or at least not since a TV faux pas in
1987. He does give journalist background briefings,
where his thoughts may be reported but not directly
attributed to him, but these are highly selective and
keenly sought. By keeping himself scarce, he raises
his value in the market of opinion and influence. His
second technique is to create a sense of superiority,
not through arrogance or condescension, but by
preserving a formal manner and a lofty, abstract style
of speech. His third is to convey depth by preserving
ambiguity. He draws on an obscure vocabulary, circular
construction, economic jargon and the heavy use of
qualifiers to acheive this. To illustrate this point,
an economist, Jeremy Gluck, wrote: “When Alan
Greenspan dies his headstone could read: ‘I am
guardedly optimistic about the next world, but remain
cognisant of the downside risk.’”
He quietly rejoices in his oracular aloofness. The
former chief of the Securities and Exchange
Commission, Arthur Levitt, recalled bumping into him
at a party and asking him how he was. Greenspan
replied: “I’m not allowed to say.”
Okay people–something is very wrong here!!!
d
Dear ~One~
These ones certainly all know. One faction of many different factions with different agendas. They all think that they are the greater of the powers that be, but most of these soldiers are too compartmentalized to know all the agendas. The soldiers don’t know what the capos know, and those don’t know what the dons know, etc.
The Rothschilds know too, or at least a few of them. David Rockefller knows, he IS JP Morgan after all, as well as the prime handler for the House of Saud and almost certainly the prime manipulator of the CIA hidden corporate structure. Prince Phillip seems to know as much as any but his hand is very well hidden and he may be just part duffer finger puppet for the Rothschilds.
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