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Dear Jock,

I wonder if you are aware that the so-called person Nicholas Rockefeller is NOT a member of the famous Rockefeller family? Either Nicholas Rockefeller does not exist at all, or he is some kind of shadowy California attorney who gets mileage out of a false association with the Rockefeller family. There is a web page that claims that Nicholas Rockefeller is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, but the Council on Foreign Relations has never heard of him.

You have posted a lot of wacky 9/11 stuff before, but for sheer paranoid lunatic fantasy this one takes the cake.

You are obviously trying to promote the idea that "Nicholas Rockefeller," if he exists at all, is a member of the established Rockefeller family. Could you please provide some credible evidence in support of that view?

Nicholas Rockefeller is the clandestine lovechild of Bill Cosby and Sarah Palin. He did die but was spontaneously recombusted via Jock Dubbledaze intervention.
Please believe me becuz i don't know how else to get attenshun.

To the shadowy "david" (no last name provided :) -

You make a number of claims in your comment above.

I'll address them one by one:

1) "david" states:
You are obviously trying to promote the idea that "Nicholas Rockefeller," if he exists at all, is a member of the established Rockefeller family.

Jock Replies:

I have little interest in whether Nicholas Rockefeller is a member of the established Rockefeller family. I never stated that and I never implied that.

However, for the genealogists out there, I have found an article from the September 28, 2005 edition of the Wall Street Journal ("A Shanghai Project Stalls --- Confusion Over Exactly Who Is a Rockefeller Stymies Plans To Restore City's Famed Bund") which states that the family relationship of Nicholas Rockefeller to David Rockefeller is "probably quite distant, seventh or eighth cousins."

Below please find the two relevant paragraphs from the just-quoted WSJ article:

"Stirring further confusion about Rockefeller Group in the minds of some government officials earlier this year was the arrival of one Nicholas Rockefeller, a Los Angeles attorney, who says he appealed personally to Shanghai Mayor Han Zheng to take over the project after hearing it was troubled. He says he suggested to the mayor that his name would make it easy to adjust any contracts.
"Nicholas Rockefeller declined to say where in the Rockefeller family he fits. But the family's patriarch, David Rockefeller, said through an associate that he doesn't recall ever meeting Nicholas. The relationship "is probably quite distant, seventh or eighth cousins," according to the associate, Peter Johnson."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Rockefeller

Of course, the real question is not about Nicholas Rockefeller's family tree. The real question is why anyone -- a Rockefeller, a Smith, a Jones . . . an attorney, an accountant, a janitor -- anyone -- is telling Aaron Russo the details of 9/11 several months before it happened.

2) "david" states:
There is a web page that claims that Nicholas Rockefeller is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, but the Council on Foreign Relations has never heard of him."

Jock replies:

It is amazing that on a Sunday you have managed to query the Council on Foreign Relations and they have replied within two hours. Truly amazing. Okay, obviously you didn't do that -- so you might want to tell us where your information is coming from. On high, perhaps? :)

For the record: Here are ten web sites that include Nicholas Rockefeller as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations:

http://www.nicholasrockefeller.net/
http://www.nicholasrockefeller.org
http://www.nicholasrockefeller.org/wikipedia/
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/210207_rockefeller_friendship.html
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Rockefeller_Nicholas_13197185.aspx
http://www.pacificcouncil.org/interior.aspx?pageID=About&subID=31&itemID=595
http://letsrollforums.com/membership-roster-cfr-council-t17466.html?s=3457039dc083c0e6a44b2b9d9abe3cc9&
http://www.redpills.org/?p=932
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2000_May_1/ai_61823222
http://just-another-inside-job.blogspot.com/2007/04/all-under-nicholas-rockefeller-9-11.html

Four of above the web sites state that Nicholas Rockefeller is a permanent member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

If you (or anyone else) has information to the contrary, please share it with the Ojai Post -- and with the administrators of the above sites. :)

3) "david" states:
You have posted a lot of wacky 9/11 stuff before, but for sheer paranoid lunatic fantasy this one takes the cake.

Jock Replies:

I'm not sure what's "wacky" about the articles I've posted in which engineers, architects, veteran passenger jet pilots, veteran air traffic controllers, and veteran military personnel come together to agree that 9/11 was an inside job.

http://patriotsquestion911.org

What exactly is wacky about science and aviation and military professionals coming together in agreement on a scientifically based conclusion about what happened that day?

While you are answering that question, it would also be great if you could tell us your last name: "david," for all intents and purposes, is "anonymous."

Anyone who wants to write me in person about 9/11, or about anything else, can do so at: director@spontaneouscreation.org

Sincerely,

a person who has Done His Research and who therefore Is Not Afraid To Give His Full Name,

Jock Doubleday
Director
Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc.
A California 501(c)3 Nonprofit Corporation
http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/links.htm
director@spontaneouscreation.org

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes."
"The Matrix"

Good job, Jock. Im with you. 9/11 was an inside job. Im still dumbfounded how many people think that two planes, apparently flown by pilots that have been found alive since, actually burned and then expertly demolished THREE buildings for the first time ever in history. And I suppose the Reichstag just spontaneously combusted, too?!

I understand the irritation of considering such a possibility with the emotional investment so many of us have in our country and other misplace in their govt and the 'fourth' branch of govt.

Here's a good one that's gone around a few times that demonstrate many of the problems with the holy story of popular media:

Loose Change

And then why, David, should I not consider the possibility of an inside job?

Hi Jock,

Thank you for responding this time. I have often responded to your 9/11 posts in the past without hearing from you, so this one is a surprise.

Look, when you post an article on the Ojai Post entitled "Rockefeller reveals 9/11 fraud" it obviously suggests a recognized member of the established Rockefeller family.

Then in the clip you have posted of Aaron Russo's interview, he starts off talking about international banking interests, and in that context he pretends to divulge inside information "straight from Rockefeller." Please don't pretend that that is not designed to suggest a member of the established Rockefeller family.

When asked by the interviewer how he met this man, Russo relates that he was told by a mutual friend that "one of the Rockefellers" wanted to meet him. That too obviously is designed to indicate a member of the established Rockefeller family.

So please don't pretend that this post is not designed to portray inside information about 9/11 as if it were coming from the recognized, established Rockefeller family.

In your comment I gather you are backing off from that claim, so at least we have that little matter cleared up.

Your Post should be entitled "Dead Movie Director claims in interview that a California attorney told him a year before 9/11 that "something" was going to happen to cause a war in Iraq."

By the way, how come Nick Rockefeller, the California attorney with no relation to the Rockefeller family, doesn't just come out and tell us what he knows? Why does he run around talking to a movie director but not come out in public with his story?

As for your previous wacky stories, I have debunked each one at the time it was posted, and am not going to repeat all that now. If you missed it then you can go back and look it up.

Anyway, thanks for acknowledging that this Nick Rockefeller has no connection with the established Rockefeller family. But please don't pretend that you never implied that. It was implied all over your post, and stated outright by Aaron Russo ("one of the Rockefellers").

Todd,

Did I understand you to say that the pilots of the 9/11 planes have been found alive? That is rich. Really rich. Would you like to give us the source for that assertion, please?

Thank you in advance.

(By the way, that three building thing was the first of Jock's arguments that I debunked. That is such a phony argument. It has been totally explained how the third building collapsed several hours later.)

The short cut to changing the planet is to change the heart of the man at the top. You need to understand this.

We are reaching a turning point. Now that Asia is waking up along with so many people in the West, changes will follow.

Jock,

I don't really care if Nicholas Rockefeller is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations or not. I only brought it up to indicate I was getting contradictory information about this guy. It really has nothing to do with your and Russo's false suggestion that Nicholas is one of "the" Rockefellers.

However, since you ask, below is what happens when you go to the CFR website and search for Nicholas Rockefeller.

Advanced Search Search Tips
Searched for "nicholas rockefeller".

Your search - "nicholas rockefeller" - did not match any documents.
No pages were found containing ""nicholas rockefeller"".

I'm still waiting to hear from Todd about those two pilots who were found alive.

yo Davy, chill out, how about demonstrating some patience, go play some ping pong, read a book, go for a walk etc.

yo big head bob,
is that the best you can do when challenged by rational thinking? pat "davy" on the head and tell him to chill out and go play like a good boy?

"Loose Change" is easily deconstructed nonsense.
Here's an example of the Flight 93 issues

Here is the link, watch the Truther version get eviscerated here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gur2beM7MPs

The monopolizing, money-lending, INTERNATIONAL BANKING ELITE possess total financial POWER AND FORCE, which creates struggle and misery for the rest of us! That media-school-government owning force brainwashes the masses into 'pollyanna' wishful delusions of over-the-rainbow hopes and dreams, while the machinations of the arms manufacturers, greedy oil barons , and CIA- {Cocaine Import Agency}- related 'shadow government' world-wide agencies promote , and profit from , the G.O.D. { GUNS-OIL-DRUGS} EMPIRE , paid for by your sacrificial taxation , which we all surrender to , by their criminal and evil FORCE AND POWER !! The only way to change this tragic state of affairs is is for the masses of the banking-controlled world populace to WAKE UP , and revolutionize all city-state/village societies into FAIR TRADE economic practices , that abolishes forever USURIOUS INTEREST on money and goods of all subterfuge varieties !! INTEREST on money and goods is an absolutely UNNECESSARY PARASITICAL SCAM perpetrated on all peoples by the PRIVATE BANKING ELITE that drains the true worth and productivity of the work-energy from a nation and its people ! Must people are not aware that our own U.S. government , in the early 1800's , once had an interest-free national economy that worked brilliantly and productively , that is , until POWERFUL AND FORCEFUL PRIVATE BANKING FINANCIERS { such as the Rockefeller and Rothschild banking dynasties } sabotaged this egalitarian economy by bribes , blackmail , threats , and deception on our U.S. Congress . The result was the establishment of a monopolizing , PRIVATEe and ELITEe BANK , deceptively named THE FEDERAL RESERVE . Since then , it's all been PERENNIAL CYCLES OF WAR AND RECESSIONS/DEPRESSIONS ever since !!

How anyone can watch Loose Change and not even consider some of these possibilities is beyond me.

David, you truly have your head in the sand if youve never heard about all the 9/11 suspects that have been found alive. Youre SO intent on deconstructing the possibility that FOX news may not be telling you the truth that you cant even do a basic web search to verify these statements for yourself before you go 'debunking', which is not what you do with your spewing of popular drivel and parroting of the talking heads. Talk about rich. How about delusional.

No blood, body parts or plane parts were found at the 'crash' site of flight 93. The coroner has been quoted all over about that. There was nothing for him to do at the crash site.

Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon left no plane parts and also completely disintegrated. They found missile parts though. Yah, Im sure youve debunked all this, Dave. Please post your link on the Post here so myself and anyone else interested can review your handy work that hasnt seen it already.

I know youve been waiting for days with baited breath for this one: BBC News... September 23, 2001 2001 Hijack 'Suspects' Alive And Well http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1559000/1559151.stm Among others. Again, I recommend Google as a starting place, Dave.

Hi Todd,

Thanks for the reply. I looked at the link you provided -- dated September 23, 2001. Maybe you missed the link at the bottom of that article where the BBC updates the previous report and points out that it was based on a confusion associated with common Arabic names, and implicitly apologizes for all the misunderstanding it has caused among conspiracy theorists.

As for my previous replies to Jock, I think you can find them by searching the Ojai Post archives for comments under his several 9/11 articles.

No, I saw the link, David. I don't think it changes the context of the article at all. It does not resolve anything except stating that other Arabs might have the same names and states:

"Under the FBI picture of Waleed al Shehri we have added the words "A man called Waleed Al Shehri..." to make it as clear as possible that there was confusion over the identity. The rest of the story remains as it was in the archive as a record of the situation at the time."

The REST OF THE STORY REMAINS THE SAME. Your faith in Big Brother is impressive, nonetheless, David.

Westminster Cathedral,
you're bringing us down

You watched and you schemed as

Our bankers fled town..

Good grief, Todd. What you have written in all caps is contradicted by the very quotation you have cited in your own previous paragraph.

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Your very own quotation says the story "remains as it was in the archive AS A RECORD OF THE SITUATION AT THE TIME," -- that time being less than two weeks after 9/11.

For you to try to twist this into the BBC still standing by any claim of uncertainty over the identity of the hijackers is just pathetic. Davy's Demerits are reserved for Ojai Post Authors, but if they were extended to commenters you would get a Whopper for this one.

Listen, my friend, this is getting really tiresome. I'm not going to reply to you again on this subject. Any interested readers can follow the links given above and judge for themselves.

http://www.globalagora.com/team.htm