Comments on: Two Words I Didn’t Expect to Hear

By: MS

MS — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:58:53 +0000

Johnney Chingas-
Oh silly me, I appogilize. I aint no lingistikal master. I just have lived in Mexico and other parts of Latino America (did I get that right?). Y’all can pick at my intellek all ya want (did I spell y’all right?). Yeah, here we got wife beaters dats white, an we gots wifebeaters dats are brown. But I don’t get all the hub-bub about some “gabacho’s” tounge slippin in publik. Is it that those on the kettle end of the so called meltin pot has always got to be doin it right and make no mind what else gets added to the broth. Acch I rekon that chile can possibly be mellowed by a pinch more of basilica, or perhaps one can just add more salt

By: LTOR

LTOR — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:01:33 +0000

“How many of the responders to this post understand Espanol? Ever hear what Hispanics (hope that is the correct “PC” term) call other people. I happen to speak Spanish fluently, and am often disgusted with the racist (yes racist) derrogatory remarks I hear emanating from the mouths of the very persons some are so sensitive about not offending. Goes both ways folks”
Yeah, and some men are wife beaters, some priest are pedophiles, some teenagers take drugs, some cashiers are rude, some Ojai Post commenters make sweeping, generalizing, smug-yet-revealing comments…..

By: SWGA

SWGA — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:04:37 +0000

Leland,
Turn-off mommy’s computer and start looking for a job…

By: SWGA

SWGA — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:04:30 +0000

Leland,
Turn-off mommy’s computer and start looking for a job…

By: Johnny Chingas

Johnny Chingas — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:36:25 +0000

Curious, the term you cite is not racist, it is a Spanish word. Reread your own link. And for your edification as one self-described as “curious”, google “Johnny Chingas”. It will make you laugh (and it is not racist). Better yet, ask a Spanish speaker to inform you.
Johnny Chingas, way to throw in the racist term “chinga” on the sly:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chinga
I didn’t appreciate it.
Comment #21 Posted by: Curious | April 15, 2008 04:19 PM

By: LTOR

LTOR — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:49:54 +0000

ML – Let’s be clear, here. As I said earlier, I completely understand where people are coming from on the “other side” of the argument. I have had plenty of in-depth, thought provoking and enlightening discussions with many who don’t share my views about this subject. And of course, every person has the right to hold an “anti-immigration” position, to peacefully demonstrate (if they really think that does any good), to pass out literature, to start their own websites, to participate on blogs, to cite statistics and sources they think help bolster their argument, and so forth.
Do they also have a right to harass, bully, threaten and humiliate their fellow human beings? I say, quite firmly – “No, they do not”.
I’m sorry that some just can’t understand this very clear cut distinction. I am not labeling ALL “anti-immigrationists” as being racist or meanspirited – because I’ve met many who are not. (I do, however, hold my very own personal view that if they really looked at the issue in different ways, they might see things differently, but that is just perhaps my bias on this issue). However, these people are often fighting for FUTURE immigration to be controlled and reduced. They are not trying to deport millions of law abiding, hard-working people who have already come here (with an “unofficial” welcome by our government, by the way) and who have established ties to our country. Many (if not a majority) of these “illegal aliens” actually hold social security cards (albeit obtained unofficially) and they not only have taxes withdrawn automatically by their employers, but then often never file for a refund due to fear of deportation. So, that misconception – that they all suck the system dry without paying their fare share – loses much of its veracity.
People who are not bigoted and mean and thuggish do not stand on street corners with ugliness in their hearts and shameful words on their signs, they do not harass every Hispanic-looking person they see, they do not use language that stereotypes an entire group of people, they do not spread incorrect information and statistics on blogs, and they most certainly do not point pepper spray in the face of a lovely young lady. I feel so very sorry for all those who just don’t get it. And may God help them if they ever have to rely on the kindness of strangers for their livelihood, happiness, sense of security and even their very survival.

By: MS

MS — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:06:38 +0000

How many of the responders to this post understand Espanol? Ever hear what Hispanics (hope that is the correct “PC” term) call other people. I happen to speak Spanish fluently, and am often disgusted with the racist (yes racist) derrogatory remarks I hear emanating from the mouths of the very persons some are so sensitive about not offending. Goes both ways folks.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:04:01 +0000

And it gets 22 laborious responses crafted to make yourselves feel enlightened, caring, and better than anyone else. Predictably pathetic.
Kenley is so much more polite than I am.
You’re right, ML. Obviously, it is you who is better than anyone else.
By the way, you smell like Leland Hammerschmitt.

By: Keney Neufeld

Keney Neufeld — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:01:30 +0000

Dear ML - thank you for the comments. I agree that free speech cannot be selectively enforced and I also agree this has little or nothing to do with political correctness. For me, this is about treating people with respect and kindness. We are all human beings with the same needs. I also recognize that I have a world view that is different from many other people in our community. What makes one person feel uncomfortable may be perfectly acceptable for another person. My experience says this is a complicated matter and I don't pretend to have the answers. All I have is my experience. My observations. It didn't seem appropriate to mention the names and specific details of the incidents. However, if you need that information I'd be happy to share it with you privately. You can email me.

By: ml

ml — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:18:36 +0000

I have no reason to suspect Kenley of making this up. But, come on – ” two colleagues relayed stories…”
And it gets 22 laborious responses crafted to make yourselves feel enlightened, caring, and better than anyone else. Predictably pathetic.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Political correctness only matters to 95% of the people on this post and 5% OF THE ENTIRE REST OF THE POPULATION. I apologize for shouting, but you guys are waiting on a ship that has already sailed. And sunk.
You are all very nice. And you may even sometimes be correct in your views. Few of us want to use or hear the words ‘beaner’ and ‘wetback’. But you don’t elevate yourselves by ridiculing the people who are threatened (even though their fear may not be rational). Their views and their experience are every bit as valid as yours, and free speech cannot be selectively enforced. Live with it.