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Open Thread: Nancy Edition

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OK, Tyler we get it.
You're a leg man!!

You probably like going to the racetrack, huh?

I really wasn't projecting any personal preferences or Freudian overtones. Just thought it was fun. Maybe we'll do a Rorschact Thread one of these days, and you can tell us what body parts you see.

PS - haven't been to the track since '93, but I got a great Trevor Denman story out of it. And away they go...

One of my kids' favorite albums is a Nancy Sinatra one...can't remember the title...Has "Sugartown" "boots" etc. My kids are 6 and 3. Only my little freaks could love a Nancy album that much.

You got me to smile. "Boots" was one of the classic early music videos.Maybe the earliest, at least in this country, was Ricky Nelson's "Travelin Man", but it was not nearly as wonderfully tacky as this one.

Love it! It's funny, but many young people hear this song and probably associate it with Mike Meyers' Thembots. It's great to see the original again!

Please! Are you trying to set the womens movement back four decades? The poor taste and gender stereotyping here is beneath us all.

Yes, this is disgusting, especially that one in the orange that is shaking her bottom in a most provocative way ! Women have evolved beyond this nonsense !

LTOR: they're Fembots. ;)

Comment #7: Evolved beyond this nonsense? Really??!

Oops, thanks evan. I knew it didn't sound just right when I wrote it...

I personally don't get worked up about this kind of stuff. To me, it's fun and a kitschy blast from the past.

Hi, my name is Leland, and I approve of the trollish comments on this thread.

Evan,

Did your public educators forget to teach you that the messages delivered by mass media are inconsistent with reality, as well as anything approaching intelligence? To propose that Hollywood speaks for the current state of woman is a distortion, as well as highly socially corrosive.

Okay, sorry to derail this open thread, but I just couldn't keep quite after that debate. Can someone explain why George Stephanopoulos was a "co-moderator" during that travesty of a debate put on by ABC last night? Here's a guy who was a higher up working with James Carville to get Bill Clinton elected in 1992 who then went on to serve as an adviser and something like deputy press secretary in the first Clinton administration. How is it possible that this guy could be named a moderator for that debate. Now we find out that in addition to acting as a hit man for Clinton he is also apparently a sock puppet for Sean Hannity! This from Salon.com:


Hannity's unfortunate role in the Democratic debate
When I first started noticing blog headlines about far-right Fox News personality Sean Hannity feeding George Stephanopoulos questions for last night's debate, I thought it was a metaphorical point. As in, "Some of the questions were so bad, they may as well have come from Sean Hannity."
I came to realize, though, that the concerns were literal. Jason Linkins explained:
The unseen influence of Fox News wormed its way into tonight's nominally ABC-hosted debate, when Senator Barack Obama was asked to account for his tenuous connections to former Weather Underground leader William Ayers, who famously began a New York Times article with this statement: ''I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough.''
The question was posed by George Stephanopoulos, who neither conceived of the question himself, nor disclosed the primary source of his donated inquiry: Fox News talking head Sean Hannity. [...]
Hannity asked George what kinds of questions they'll be asking at the debate tomorrow and they discussed a few things. When Hannity asked about the first question below about Ayers and whether George had plans to ask such a question, George replied, "Well, I'm taking notes now Sean." It did actually sound like he was pausing to take notes.
ThinkProgress has the audio.
When Hannity is feeding Stephanopoulos ideas for debate questions, you know you're watching a journalistic problem."

Wow! How little this woman and those around her think of our ability to remember and reason. What are ABC and the media conglomerates so afraid of that they would stoop to this level? All I know is, if corporate America is afraid of Obama, he's my candidate.

The thing to draw from this is that Hillary Clinton is willing to team up with the right wing to try and stop Obama from getting the nomination that he has already won. Why is this woman still allowed in the Democratic Party. She needs to go the way of Lieberman.

"...this woman..."
???
spk, why are you always trying to put her in her place?

Ironically (given the mixed responses above), the cultural timecapsule that is the video above was considered somewhat of a feminist statement at the time. From Swindle Magazine:

"Nancy Sinatra’s vinyl go-go boots, like Mary Quant’s miniskirts and John Lennon’s glasses, have come to symbolize a moment in time: a moment in the 1960s when girls finally realized they didn’t need to spend all day pining over their loser boyfriends – they could just give them the finger instead. “One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you,” purred Sinatra in “These Boots Are Made for Walkin’,” the kitschy girl power anthem that made a feminist statement while simultaneously setting a million loins ablaze. The song established Sinatra as an icon of a new, more independent generation of women, paving the way for Debbie Harry and other badass rebel blondes of the future. “Believe it or not, at the time, the boots were very shocking,” says Sinatra, referred to as “The First Lady of Rock ‘n’ Roll” by KROQ DJ Rodney Bingenheimer. “People didn’t know what to make of them-or me.

Oh please. Not that again. If she were a man I would have said this man. It has zero to do with her gender, I can assure you.

LTOR, my previous comment was not directed to you, but to curious.

Now, if you had said "this man"...

So she's gone from revered, beaming, wise and sage former First Lady Mrs. Clinton to... Senator Clinton to... the dismissive "Hillary"... to the derogatory "this woman"...

I can't even remember exactly in the cycle of trivialities that passes for issues these days, but at one time weren't Bill and Hillary supposed to be racists because Bill referred to Senator Obama as "that man"?

Meanwhile, on Fox News, right wing newsrags, the Wall Street Journal, and right wing hate radio (aka Rush and Hannity and the "Christian" networks) Senator Obama is now regularly referred to as "Obambi" (the current favorite, seems to be sticking among their crowd with their image of the naive young junior legislator looking like a deer in the headlights attempting to stare down Putin), Osama (no comment), and of course, the full name treatment, Barack Hussein Osama (also no comment), which has been coupled in the right wing blogs with references to the Manchurian Candidate.

When these pejoratives are legitimized by repetition into regular usage, the question is, does Senator Obama stand a chance?

Maybe Hillary is pulling out all the stops because she really thinks she can save us from John Cheney McBush. It is possible she is looking out for us.

Not possible?

I say instead of keeping on keepin on with the Hillary vs. Barack nonsense, we have a contest: Who can come up with the best pejorative for McCain - the one that has that perfect combination of name recognition, character assessment, and total annihilation as a serious candidate?

George Cheney McCain doesn't quite get there.

Come on Ojai, let's help the country here and come up with the right name for our centamillionaire maverick senator from Arizona!

(Winner gets let it on the location of a beautiful century bloom going on right now in Ojai.)

I like your creative thinking, Anon. SPK, I think, has already come up with a few good ones.

For those of us who remember the Keating 5 scandal, my entry will be:

McCheat&Gain

Anon. Comment #17 - Not real sure when Mrs. Clinton was universally revered or considered a sage. I'm sure Mrs. Clinton thinks she is "looking out for us", but I really don't agree with her cozying up with John McCain and the right-wing in order to do it. As for the opinion of right-wing radio geeks, I don't really care what they think except when one of our candidates starts taking her cues from them. That makes me irate.

Leave it to the British who are really above this fray to see the whole thing clearly. This article in the Financial Times goes into just how much Clinton and McSame have been working together. The article is entitled "Clinton finds an ally in McCain". The bottom line is that Clinton has been behaving in an atrocious manner during this whole election and thankfully the attempt at an ambush by ABC and the Clinton campaign in that "debate" last night failed.

I noticed you completely side stepped the biased debate issue in your comment. Did you actually see the debate? It was a travesty totally lacking in any journalistic integrity. Go on youtube and watch it if you can stand it.

By the way, as to those right-wing radio people who's opinion you seem to care so much about-that freak Michael Savage has endorsed Hillary Clinton over Barack because he says Barack is a Marxist.

Evan,

Did your public educators forget to teach you that the messages delivered by mass media are inconsistent with reality, as well as anything approaching intelligence? To propose that Hollywood speaks for the current state of woman is a distortion, as well as highly socially corrosive.

Comment #11 Posted by: Mass media

Mass media, i believe the same as you do about your inconsistencies with reality. it was not i who claimed that "[all] women have evolved beyond this nonsense!". it is clear that they have not. peruse Facebook and MySpace and you'll find plenty of women and girls selling themselves for attention. that's a current reality.

Why the misquote Evan?

"Women have evolved beyond this nonsense !" was the original quote. It is disingenuous to interpret the poster as having meant "[all] women

Many women have evolved beyond this nonsense. Women of culture, dignity and intelligence are in no way served by you posting Jessica Simpson videos here. How is the dialog served by you distorting the original quote, then arguing a point that was never made? It suggests you are more interested in being right than having a coherent discussion. The OP deserves better.

Aw c'mom folkz, this is just classic Go-Go era stuff. Like it or not, t'is a part of our culture. Yeah we have come a long way, look back at it and reflect. As for me, I admit, I was lookin @ the leggs

Evolved:
it was certainly not my intention to misquote comment #7. my read of the line carried an implied [all], which is why i added it in brackets...like saying "men are pigs" or "mexicans are dirty", it includes no exemptions and therefore implies an [all], at least to me. i'm sorry to have come across as trying to distort the anonymous commenter's original intent.

certainly you and i agree that many - dare we say most? - women HAVE evolved beyond this nonsense, and for that we are grateful. i posted the Simpson video because it seemed to me that much of the commentary was writing off the Sinatra video as a relic of past misogyny and archaic sexism, and so it seemed relevant that there is a video of the exact same song done more currently and featuring the same issues. my point was simply that they are still alive and current.

sorry you felt so burnt by my post...i hope i've just been able to clarify my thinking for you.

Oh boo, Anon, nobody's playing...:)

I've got another one:

McShit-For-Brains!!!


Remember this from a few weeks back - (from the Washington Post):

"Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives "taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back."

Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was "common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known. And it's unfortunate." A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate's ear. McCain then said: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda."

God help Iran for as long as this guy retains a pulse...

When I see women dancing like that run home and stick pins in a special barbie doll I have.

I'm just thinking out loud here - I really miss reading Tyler's comments. I hope that one comment a while back isn't hindering you, Tyler. Personally, I didn't agree with the sentiment that you shouldn't be interacting on your own blogsite. Come back, come back, wherever you are...:)

Hi from Seattle, where Ali-Sun and I are stepping out for breakfast, before we walk over to the Experience Music Project, after which we might take the monorail down to Pike Place Market. How's that for touristy for ya? Headed down to the rainforest for a few days on Sunday.

Thanks, LTOR - I was traveling last week, back in Ojai for three days, and now in the greater Seattle area until next week.

Also, I decided not to do a formal Ojai Post announcement for this, but I've co-founded a new company which is keeping me busy - check it out.
http://www.emergencity.com/

Looking forward to some OP community discussions about the feature set and capabilities of the platform as we get closer to deployment.

Tyler - have dinner at the Oceanaire, it's fantastic!

OMG, Memories of The Revolver....

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