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Millennium, what is this? What does it do? I did read about the experiment on your site. I'm sorry I can't figure it out.

yes, mil, please explain the actual science behind your discovery of cold fusion reaction...

I nominate MT for the Nobel Prize of light bulb in beaker o water.

you bless this 'tribe', Suza,

the experiment is an electrolysis cell -- that is it breaks water into hydrogen and oxygen. something chemists have been doing for a hundred or two hundred years ... but this method does it in a hurry! [for use to power or heat a home, or to run a car or bus, etc.]

apparently a tried and true method is simply heating the water ... a more efficient method is DC electrolysis, putting metal conductors (electrodes) in the water with about a volt and a half difference ... to bubble out oxygen from the positive voltage electrode, and bubble hydrogen at the negative voltage electrode.

DC electrolysis is about 50 percent efficient -- that is if you put in a kilowatt of power to create hydrogen, you will get about half a kilowatt of power in your engine or in whatever system you use with the hydrogen.

we are probably going to investigate HIGH EFFICIENCY electrolysis methods -- which should be 80 percent or ninety percent efficient -- getting out 800 or 900 watts of energy for every kilowatt, 1000 watts, put in. this involves VIBRATING the water molecules with ultrasound (high frequency sound waves), or with AC electricity -- resonant frequencies of water molecules are said to be around 20 khz (20,000 hz or cycles), 42 khz, 60 khz, and 600 khz (also 600 hz, 620 hz, 630 hz, 12000 hz) if I recall correctly. we will investigate probably all frequencies from DC to megahertz I suspect. [Keely and Meyer and Puharich are the famous experimenters with resonant frequency electrolysis.] more here:

http://www.ojaipost.com/2007/12/powered_by_water.shtml

Plasma electrolysis, is another form of electrolysis, which demonstration you just saw. the one we just did. it cheats! we use HIGH VOLTAGE, about 200 to 250 Volts, instead of low voltage. it is probably NOT efficient, just very productive in volume. [hopefully we will find out just how efficient it is.]

Here's a couple of electrolysis references to help:

One Zero Cell Hydrogen video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fc3mUwx8BAw

Bob Bryce Electrolyzer PDF
http://pesn.com/2007/09/29/9500450_BobBoyce_Electrolizer_Plans/d9.pdf

We put in a call to Arnold Schwarzenegger's office to find out what DMV paperwork is required of our local Ojai denizens who convert their cars to water or hydrogen. here is some of their advice:

http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/arnold_h2_hummer.html

after this test, the Plasma Cell, we will try out a wide variety of other cells -- probably NOT high voltage plasma cells.

in the meantime, I assume car mechanics and experimenters and a lot of folk in Goddess Moon will be converting their cars to hydrogen, oil, biodiesel, compressed-air, methane, propane, ethanol and other ... and phasing out their large vehicles and bringing on smaller and more loving ones.

moving into home and local and regional economies, and phasing out the commuting.

for all our beloved world family ...

Millennium

haku Suza,

please note I responded to you question above, in the body of the article!

kiwanon,

Millennium

only on the Ojai Post.....

Thank you Millennium. I do appreciate your response. Ages ago I saw a documentary --maybe it was about Buckminster Fuller --anyway it featured a car that ran on water...I think!

PS This is pretty wild!!!

so its electrolysis? then how can you claim its cold fusion?

Can it get rid of those pesky black hairs that grow on my upper lip and my unibrow?

So this experiment is using high voltage to crack water pretty fast. I imagine the efficiency is pretty low. Have you considered using a Tesla coil to generate ultra high voltages. You could also tune the high voltage output from a Tesla coil to whatever frequency you like. This in tandem with the ultrasonic frequency could have some interesting effects.

Also, I'm not seeing anything hooked up to your experiment to measure/capture the amounts of Hydrogen and Oxygen being produced by the electrolysis, so I'm not sure how you are monitoring your work.

Also, also are you using straight distilled water here or some basic solution of water?

As to converting to hydrogen to power internal combustion engines(ICE) in cars. My understanding is that the main problem is storage of the hydrogen on board the vehicle. Hydrogen ICE cars would be an excellent option, but we need to be able to safely, and cheaply store the hydrogen on board to be injected into the engine. Burning Hydrogen in an ICE only loses about 10 HP. If the car were tuned properly and if some other advancements could be included on a conversion kit in any car, it's possible that the power lose could be reduced to like 5 HP. If solar or wind energy could be used to crack water at even 70% efficiency, and if we could use ultra high pressure tanks (30,000 psi) or metal hydride storage systems, our transportation energy problems on Earth would be over. Just imagine, MOPAR muscle cars converted to run on hydrogen that is generated with renewable energy locally. Zero emissions and the gear heads would love 'em!

Good luck with the experiments

So this experiment is using high voltage to crack water pretty fast. I imagine the efficiency is pretty low. Have you considered using a Tesla coil to generate ultra high voltages. You could also tune the high voltage output from a Tesla coil to whatever frequency you like. This in tandem with the ultrasonic frequency could have some interesting effects.

Also, I'm not seeing anything hooked up to your experiment to measure/capture the amounts of Hydrogen and Oxygen being produced by the electrolysis, so I'm not sure how you are monitoring your work.

Also, also are you using straight distilled water here or some basic solution of water?

As to converting to hydrogen to power internal combustion engines(ICE) in cars. My understanding is that the main problem is storage of the hydrogen on board the vehicle. Hydrogen ICE cars would be an excellent option, but we need to be able to safely, and cheaply store the hydrogen on board to be injected into the engine. Burning Hydrogen in an ICE only loses about 10 HP. If the car were tuned properly and if some other advancements could be included on a conversion kit in any car, it's possible that the power lose could be reduced to like 5 HP. If solar or wind energy could be used to crack water at even 70% efficiency, and if we could use ultra high pressure tanks (30,000 psi) or metal hydride storage systems, our transportation energy problems on Earth would be over. Just imagine, MOPAR muscle cars converted to run on hydrogen that is generated with renewable energy locally. Zero emissions and the gear heads would love 'em!

Good luck with the experiments

I'm one of those who believe that Hydrogen will play a big roll in our (near)future. But I'm changing my belief that we will run the distribution simularly as we do petroleum(liquid gas). High presure tanks at the station and within the car are more than just problematic, it will be a safety issue that I don't think we will overcome.

But their are other Hydrogen solutions that are coming up, have been proved/tested and need more refining: One using of all things to extract hydrogen out of water-Aluminum. Another is the use of Polysacchorides.

Both of these techniques don't require the storage and distribution of High Pressure Hydrogen. Both have you pumping water in your tank, where, when and while you use your car, the Hydrogen is safely extracted from the water and injected in the engine.

The Aluminum is blended with another metal-Gallinum, put into pellots that go into a tank in your car, then pump water into your tank. Basically it is that simple, in as much as to what you do, but the science is a bit more complicated, but works great. The problem is that we use other resources to extract and distribute the aluminum.

The polysacchoride technique is unique in that all the stuff you need can be bought at your local grocery store. Basically, you would buy a starch and enzimes that you put into your tank along with water. This is so incredebly safe, cheap, and the effeceincy of energy transfer is I believe, the highest being tested.

For more effecient browsing, use the Mohalodotcom/search search engine. The people putting this browser together work to eleminate all the garbage(porn sites and other deceptive sites) that comes up when you use Yahoo(which if microsoft does buy, I'll never use again) and Google and others. You will find sites related to these techniques that will be more detailed than my account here.

spk,

we are using distilled water with potassium carbonate added to make a half molar solution. another way people are replicating this plasma electrolysis cell is with potassium hydroxide.

if I recall correctly Arnie, Schwar-chan, aka the Governor, is using 5000 psi hydrogen storage tanks.

thanks for the educational comment -- taking us all forward!

et tu, dana!

we are slowly getting up to speed on the electrolysis and water/hydrogen fueled auto 'science' and 'engineering' ... looks like we, all of us, in Goddess Moon are going to be learning a LOT about this very rapidly.

more to report soon -- on the sub-ground states of the neutron aka hydrogen-atom -- and blacklight and other higher-frequency energy release potentials ...

also the first 'vehicle' we have been commissioned, today, to convert!

American Hydrogen Association
http://www.clean-air.org

PES Network
http://pesn.com/2007/05/17/9500471_Hydrogen_via_Aluminum_Gallium

Kevin Kanny WaterCar
http://easywatercar.com/2books.htm?hop=kevinkanny

et tu, Millenuiuns climb the flag pole in an electrical storm!!!!

thanks Bruce, everyone!

here are some more links we have gathered to begin
to bring us up to speed on electrolysis and hydrogen:

http://www.hydrogenwindinc.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nafion
http://jjap.ipap.jp/link?JJAP/44/396
http://www.accagen.com/age-family.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/hydrogen1.html
http://www.clean-air.org/conversion_kit_response.htm
http://www.cogeneration.net/hydrogen_from_water.htm
http://www.qsinano.com/white_papers/2006_09_15.pdf
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/h2homesystem.pdf
http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/hydrogen.html
http://www.nsti.org/BioNano2007/showabstract.html?absno=3158
http://www.geocities.com/hydrogenpower1/essays/main/hydrogen.html

MT,

I didn't hear if you'd considered incorporating a Tesla coil in your experiments.

Tesla Coils are a W.O.W.! Group specialty. our first meeting three months ago, was on Tesla coil circuit design. at our next meeting, in March, we will set up a Tesla coil for the group, and run it.

this Plasma cell, however, is specifically designed for low voltages -- less than 300 volts -- as it is not intended for an industrial laboratory and all the regulatory overhead that goes with it. strictly benchtop high school chemistry safety level work is what we are doing.

this is being done to promote home-and-backyard do-it-yourself electrolysis -- which is normally done with a few volts.

we will not be carrying out tests at the thousands of volts or tens of thousands of volts that Tesla coils produce. we are not looking to produce x-rays or fast neutrons, or tritium.

our second round of experiments will however explore a vast range of waveform frequency modulations ... viz. the examples Keely and Meyer and Puharich left for us, referenced above.

and I am going to get onto another few rounds of cyber-crawling to find out what slow-and-copius neutron sources are known in the global public literature. with search terms like "Small Plasma Physics Experiments" ... a symposium proceedings which I left at my shop in New Zealand.

I've seen better.

as to where our OverUnity experimental explorations may evolve, in contrast to setting up 'conventional' electrolysis systems and converting a riding lawnmower to hydrogen -- viz.

http://pesn.com/2007/09/29/9500450_BobBoyce_Electrolizer_Plans/d9.pdf

here are two experiments we are looking at as next in line for us -- or we can evaluate them and think of a better ...

Randell Mills' BlackLight Power
http://www.blacklightpower.com/process.shtml#

Philip Kanarev's ElectroChemisty
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/kanarevelectrolysis.htm

Kanarev is a personal friend, and possibly the NUMBER-ONE living physicist of all that I have reviewed over the last twenty years.

we will dialog with him on evolving his process, to the extent that he is permitted to discuss it.

for ALL our world family --

ALL cultures, ALL peoples, ALL living beings,
of ALL time ...

~~

boring, I know, and terse!

hardly a vestige of primeval song from our Mother (Verse!)

see the Kanarev ElectroChemistry link above, for those interested in the pioneering work ... and the link to an overview of BlackLight Power.
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