“Now, one of Clinton’s laws of politics is this. If one candidate is trying to scare you and the other one is try get you to think, if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.”
- Bill Clinton with Paula Zahn, CNN, 10/25/04 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/25/pzn.01.html
Tyler, with all due respect, a) you cannot possibly equate what Bill was saying about GW Bush with the divide between Hilary and Obama and b) if Obama had more years and experience in the glare of the public eye, I can assure you I would be able to find some obscure quote by him that struck one as being ironic, contradictory, hypocritical, etc.
(Actually, there was a CBS Nightly News program that I was somewhat listening to last night on Obama– they seemed to have pointed out more than one of those troubling little “inconsistencies” that is bound to happen to anyone in public life sooner or later.
Actually, if he is going to be the nominee, I hope the impossibly perfect shine starts to wear off just a smidgen before November. Pretty soon (I fear) he will be so worshipped by the Democratic masses that he will have no where to go but…well, down.
LTOR – point very well taken – I should have put that quote in more context. Hillary released a new ad being called the “Red Phone Moment,” to which Barack had a brilliant reply. You can read more here: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/29/114219/815/541/466280
Off to a string of meetings, but thanks for your balance. I expect to come back to half a dozen comments on this thread.
Ok, gotcha, Tyler. Thanks for the clarification. I sadly must admit that Hilary’s campaign has been comprised of more than its share of backfiring tactics.
Sorry about the length of this post, but it both captured my feelings and cracked me up. It is The Times’ Joel Stein a few weeks ago.
He’s got Obamaphilia
It’s embarrassing to be among the fanatics of a relatively mainstream presidential candidate.
Joel Stein
February 8, 2008
You are embarrassing yourselves. With your “Yes We Can” music video, your “Fired Up, Ready to Go” song, your endless chatter about how he’s the first one to inspire you, to make you really feel something — it’s as if you’re tacking photos of Barack Obama to your locker, secretly slipping him little notes that read, “Do you like me? Check yes or no.” Some of you even cry at his speeches. If I were Obama, and you voted for me, I would so never call you again.
Obamaphilia has gotten creepy. I couldn’t figure out if the two canvassers who came to my door Sunday had taken Ecstasy or were just fantasizing about an Obama presidency, but I feared they were going to hug me. Scarlett Johansson called me twice, asking me to vote for him. She’d never even called me once about anything else. Not even to see “The Island.”
What the Cult of Obama doesn’t realize is that he’s a politician. Not a brave one taking risky positions like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, but a mainstream one. He has not been firing up the Senate with stirring Cross-of-Gold-type speeches to end the war. He’s a politician so soft and safe, Oprah likes him. There’s talk about his charisma and good looks, but I know a nerd when I see one. The dude is Urkel with a better tailor.
All of this is clear to me, and yet I have fallen victim. I was at an Obama rally in Las Vegas last month, hanging at the rope line afterward in the cold night desert air, just to see him up close, to make sure he was real. I’d never heard a politician talk so bluntly, calling U.S. immigration policy “scapegoating” and “demagoguery.” I’d never had even a history teacher argue that our nation’s history is a series of brave people changing others’ minds when things were on the verge of collapse. I want the man to hope all over me.
Still, I can’t help but feel incredibly embarrassed about my feelings. In the “Yes We Can” music video that will.i.am made of Obama’s Jan. 8 speech, I spotted Eric Christian Olsen, a very smart actor I know. (His line is “Yes we can.”) I called to see if he had gone all bobby-soxer for Obama, or if he was just shrewdly taking a part in a project that upped his Q rating.
Turns out Olsen not only contributed money, he volunteered in Iowa and California and made hundreds of calls. He also sent out a mass e-mail to his friends that contained these lines: “Nothing is more fundamentally powerful than how I felt when I met him. I stood, my hand embraced in his, and … I felt something … something that I can only describe as an overpowering sense of Hope.” That’s the gayest e-mail I’ve ever read, and I get notes from guys who’ve seen me on E!
When I started to make fun of Olsen, he said: “I get that it’s a movement. But it’s not like a movement for Nickelback. For the first time, we should feel justified in our passion. You don’t have to feel embarrassed about it, buddy.” It was a convincing argument until he told me he cried during an Obama speech. That did not help me feel less lame.
So to de-Romeo-ize, I called someone immune to Obama’s hottie dreaminess: a white suburban feminist baby boomer. To get two things done at once, I called my mother.
My mom, a passionate Hillary Clinton supporter, immediately attacked Obamamania. “Some part of me wants to say, ‘People wake up. He has no plans.’ I get frustrated listening to his speeches after awhile,” she said. She also said that the new vacation house in Key West is really great and her vertigo hasn’t been acting up.
I started to feel a little more grounded again. Did I want to be some dreamer hippie loser, or a person who understands that change emerges from hard work and conflict? “People are projecting an awful lot onto him,” Mom said. “Almost like what was that movie with, oh, the movie, oh God. That English actor, he practically said nothing. Oh shoot. He was the butler and everybody loved him and what he was thinking and feeling. Do you know the movie I’m talking about? You don’t.” Hers, of course, is the demographic most likely to vote.
But she’s right. Obama is Peter Sellers in “Being There.” As a therapist, she’s seen the danger of ungrounded expectations. “You feel young again. You feel like everything is possible. He helps you feel that way and you want to feel that way; it’s a great marriage. Unfortunately, the divorce will happen very quickly.” Mom is the kind of realistic tough-talker who isn’t afraid to make divorce analogies to a child of divorce.
“We want what he represents,” she said. “A young, idealistic person who really believes it. And he believes it. He believes he can change the world. I just don’t think he can.”
Thing is, I’ve watched too many movies and read too many novels; I can’t root against a person who believes he can change the world. The best we Obamaphiles can do is to refrain from embarrassing ourselves. And I do believe that we can resist making more “We Are the World”-type videos. We can resist crying jags. We can resist, in every dinner argument and every e-mail, the word “inspiration.” Yes, we can.
can some one please tell me who will. i. am. is.
And the black-eyed peas?
And Fergie?
And when is Obama going to stop with the “shine” and get with the “SUBSTANCE”
Obama isn’t suddenly going to become a policy wonk on the stump – that’s not what has built his movement. If you want to find out more, go to: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
The first link is a 64 page policy paper that addresses nearly two dozen issues such as “Plan to Strengthen the Economy,” with each issue including a framing quote from a speech, overview on action items, what the problems are that need to be solved, what his specific plan is, what his record is on the issue and links to more detailed issue-specific policy papers and speeches on the topic.
As for hip-hop artists Black Eyed Peas, they have won three Grammys and have had three worldwide #1 hits. http://www.blackeyedpeas.com/
Here’s some substance:
Comparison of the official record between Clinton and Obama. Being married to a governor or to a president does not count on the official record. This is voting records and bill submissions in the United States Senate.
Who is Will.i.am?
Who are the Black Eyed Peas?
Who is Fergie?
well i’m all up for a “face-off”.
what i am really asking is what qualifies will i am to become a political superhero commentator.
im hip enuff to know the black eyed peas had a smash hit with “my humps” and that fergie is a dish.
but what i’m askin is how does will i am go from the black eyed peas to apparently obama’s media strategist?
i appreciate kenley and tyler’s links to Obama, man of substance.
but i’m a lil bleary this morning and wonder if you guys could summarize and highlight some points.
here is the latest from will i am blog http://will-i-am.blackeyedpeas.com/
“The We Are The Ones Song
by will.i.am, March 2 @435
people say Obama’s words are just words… but… when was the last time “words” weren’t important…???… when was the last time a great leader didn’t use words to lead…??… when was the last time a person didn’t use words to describe how they felt…?… when was the last time “words” weren’t empowering…?… and we can all recall the last time “words” were used to divide us and install fear… Bush used words to fear us into voting for him the second time around… terror this……”
Is this deep or what?
i still seem to be resistant to seeing past the obama shine, but i enjoyed seeing macy gray and john leguzamo (sp?) in the video.
i’m unhip enuff to not recognize most of the faces in the video.
is that somnambulistic nora jones that sings the refrain throughout the video?
c’mon you hip young whippersnappers.
show me some “face”.
don’t give me no jive
what i am really asking is what qualifies will i am to become a political superhero commentator.
Leadership, talent and execution. No entitlement – just the ability to create an emotional connection to a man who has inspired him. Isn’t that the politics of hope?
My understanding is that will.i.am and Jesse Dylan are operating independently of the campaign.
Meanwhile, summarize and highlight some points? Check out Obama’s platform on the Economy. Plenty of reading for the bleary-eyed. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
I only have one real question today as I get ready to begin calling Texas voters for Obama. Will He do what has to be done for this country when he is President. I know he’s campaigning and I know not all Republicans are pad, but he’s been out on the stump trying to get indys to vote for him by saying he’ll put Republicans in his cabinet. Not the worst thing in the world, but it still worries me because of the magnitude of the problems he will have to face.
He has to dismantle the apparatus of fascism that the Bush Administration has been building. He must utterly destroy the notion of a unitary executive. Then he must prosecute the majority of the members of the Bush Administration for charges ranging from Fraud to Treason. Then he’ll have to go after the contractors and other corporate criminals and war profiteers.
If he doesn’t do these things then there is no hope,
Tyler- it’s been awhile since I’ve said this, but I LOVE YOU, MAN!!
I will grant you Obama is spearheading the politics of hope.
Who would you say is closer to the “politics of realism”?
spk- if Obama wins I hope he considers you for Attorney General.
Kick some butt!
Take no prisoners!
“Then he must prosecute the majority of the members of the Bush Administration for charges ranging from Fraud to Treason. Then he’ll have to go after the contractors and other corporate criminals and war profiteers. If he doesn’t do these things then there is no hope”.
SPK, I’m curious: has Obama ever actually promised to do this? Has he even spoken of this issue at all?
As Naomi Wolf outlines with remarkable percision in her book, The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot, there has been a fascist shift occurring in this country for the last thirty years with much of it happening in the last seven. This shift has seriously damaged the our media. The media that the founders meant to be a guardian of the Constitution and democracy has been copted by giant corporate conglomerates with interlocking boards of directors. It no longer serves the will of the American people. It serves the will of the PR firms like Burson-Marsteller and the corportocracy.
Candidates that go around stating the will of the people are marginalized. John Edwards was essintially boycotted by the media. Let’s not even talk about Kucinich or Ron Paul. In poll after poll the American people routinely ask for the end the occupation in Iraq, universal, single-payer health care, the repeal of NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA, et. al., a return to a progressive tax system and many more ideas labeled LIBRAL by the mainstream media. It is this fact that has caused Obama to run a campaign admittedly based on the diaphaneous notion of HOPE. If he were to come out and say the things that need to be done to save this country from what Hunter S. Thompson called “the Grim Slide”, he must run an oblique campaign. Clinton, on the other hand, is a life long corporate lawyer who sat on the board of directors of WalMart.
Earlier I mentioned the giant PR firm Burson-Marsteller. Hillary Clinton’s chief political strategist is Mark Penn. Mark Penn is the CEO of B-M. Among the clients that have hired B-M to make them look good are the military junta of the Dirty War in Argentina, Chili’s Agusto Pinochet, Philip Morris, and the nefarious Blackwater USA. There are many other corporate entities that are also clients of B-M, and a lot of them have serious contracts in Iraq.With someone like this the architect of her strategy in the campaign, it seems more and more unlikely that Hillary Clinton has any interest in addressing the issues Ameircan’s care about. This combined with the track record of her husband when he became President gives a very good idea that Clinton will not go after the Bush administration. The first Clinton administration forgave Reagan/Bush and it is very likely that any new Clinton administration would forgive W.
In answer to your question, No. I have not heard Obama say he would hold the war criminals responsible. But I have HOPE. It’s abundantly clear that Clinton won’t.
I have absolutely no illusions that Hilary will/would go after Bush & Co. But I honestly feel that believing and hoping that Obama will (when he has never given any indication to lead one to think as much) is what psychologists label “projecting”. I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t see it ever happening. (Now John Edwards was another story -I would have voted for him just on that issue). I guess time will tell.
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“Now, one of Clinton’s laws of politics is this. If one candidate is trying to scare you and the other one is try get you to think, if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.”
- Bill Clinton with Paula Zahn, CNN, 10/25/04
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/25/pzn.01.html
Tyler, with all due respect, a) you cannot possibly equate what Bill was saying about GW Bush with the divide between Hilary and Obama and b) if Obama had more years and experience in the glare of the public eye, I can assure you I would be able to find some obscure quote by him that struck one as being ironic, contradictory, hypocritical, etc.
(Actually, there was a CBS Nightly News program that I was somewhat listening to last night on Obama– they seemed to have pointed out more than one of those troubling little “inconsistencies” that is bound to happen to anyone in public life sooner or later.
Actually, if he is going to be the nominee, I hope the impossibly perfect shine starts to wear off just a smidgen before November. Pretty soon (I fear) he will be so worshipped by the Democratic masses that he will have no where to go but…well, down.
LTOR – point very well taken – I should have put that quote in more context. Hillary released a new ad being called the “Red Phone Moment,” to which Barack had a brilliant reply. You can read more here:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/29/114219/815/541/466280
Off to a string of meetings, but thanks for your balance. I expect to come back to half a dozen comments on this thread.
Ok, gotcha, Tyler. Thanks for the clarification. I sadly must admit that Hilary’s campaign has been comprised of more than its share of backfiring tactics.
Sorry about the length of this post, but it both captured my feelings and cracked me up. It is The Times’ Joel Stein a few weeks ago.
He’s got Obamaphilia
It’s embarrassing to be among the fanatics of a relatively mainstream presidential candidate.
Joel Stein
February 8, 2008
You are embarrassing yourselves. With your “Yes We Can” music video, your “Fired Up, Ready to Go” song, your endless chatter about how he’s the first one to inspire you, to make you really feel something — it’s as if you’re tacking photos of Barack Obama to your locker, secretly slipping him little notes that read, “Do you like me? Check yes or no.” Some of you even cry at his speeches. If I were Obama, and you voted for me, I would so never call you again.
Obamaphilia has gotten creepy. I couldn’t figure out if the two canvassers who came to my door Sunday had taken Ecstasy or were just fantasizing about an Obama presidency, but I feared they were going to hug me. Scarlett Johansson called me twice, asking me to vote for him. She’d never even called me once about anything else. Not even to see “The Island.”
What the Cult of Obama doesn’t realize is that he’s a politician. Not a brave one taking risky positions like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, but a mainstream one. He has not been firing up the Senate with stirring Cross-of-Gold-type speeches to end the war. He’s a politician so soft and safe, Oprah likes him. There’s talk about his charisma and good looks, but I know a nerd when I see one. The dude is Urkel with a better tailor.
All of this is clear to me, and yet I have fallen victim. I was at an Obama rally in Las Vegas last month, hanging at the rope line afterward in the cold night desert air, just to see him up close, to make sure he was real. I’d never heard a politician talk so bluntly, calling U.S. immigration policy “scapegoating” and “demagoguery.” I’d never had even a history teacher argue that our nation’s history is a series of brave people changing others’ minds when things were on the verge of collapse. I want the man to hope all over me.
Still, I can’t help but feel incredibly embarrassed about my feelings. In the “Yes We Can” music video that will.i.am made of Obama’s Jan. 8 speech, I spotted Eric Christian Olsen, a very smart actor I know. (His line is “Yes we can.”) I called to see if he had gone all bobby-soxer for Obama, or if he was just shrewdly taking a part in a project that upped his Q rating.
Turns out Olsen not only contributed money, he volunteered in Iowa and California and made hundreds of calls. He also sent out a mass e-mail to his friends that contained these lines: “Nothing is more fundamentally powerful than how I felt when I met him. I stood, my hand embraced in his, and … I felt something … something that I can only describe as an overpowering sense of Hope.” That’s the gayest e-mail I’ve ever read, and I get notes from guys who’ve seen me on E!
When I started to make fun of Olsen, he said: “I get that it’s a movement. But it’s not like a movement for Nickelback. For the first time, we should feel justified in our passion. You don’t have to feel embarrassed about it, buddy.” It was a convincing argument until he told me he cried during an Obama speech. That did not help me feel less lame.
So to de-Romeo-ize, I called someone immune to Obama’s hottie dreaminess: a white suburban feminist baby boomer. To get two things done at once, I called my mother.
My mom, a passionate Hillary Clinton supporter, immediately attacked Obamamania. “Some part of me wants to say, ‘People wake up. He has no plans.’ I get frustrated listening to his speeches after awhile,” she said. She also said that the new vacation house in Key West is really great and her vertigo hasn’t been acting up.
I started to feel a little more grounded again. Did I want to be some dreamer hippie loser, or a person who understands that change emerges from hard work and conflict? “People are projecting an awful lot onto him,” Mom said. “Almost like what was that movie with, oh, the movie, oh God. That English actor, he practically said nothing. Oh shoot. He was the butler and everybody loved him and what he was thinking and feeling. Do you know the movie I’m talking about? You don’t.” Hers, of course, is the demographic most likely to vote.
But she’s right. Obama is Peter Sellers in “Being There.” As a therapist, she’s seen the danger of ungrounded expectations. “You feel young again. You feel like everything is possible. He helps you feel that way and you want to feel that way; it’s a great marriage. Unfortunately, the divorce will happen very quickly.” Mom is the kind of realistic tough-talker who isn’t afraid to make divorce analogies to a child of divorce.
“We want what he represents,” she said. “A young, idealistic person who really believes it. And he believes it. He believes he can change the world. I just don’t think he can.”
Thing is, I’ve watched too many movies and read too many novels; I can’t root against a person who believes he can change the world. The best we Obamaphiles can do is to refrain from embarrassing ourselves. And I do believe that we can resist making more “We Are the World”-type videos. We can resist crying jags. We can resist, in every dinner argument and every e-mail, the word “inspiration.” Yes, we can.
can some one please tell me who will. i. am. is.
And the black-eyed peas?
And Fergie?
And when is Obama going to stop with the “shine” and get with the “SUBSTANCE”
Obama isn’t suddenly going to become a policy wonk on the stump – that’s not what has built his movement. If you want to find out more, go to:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
The first link is a 64 page policy paper that addresses nearly two dozen issues such as “Plan to Strengthen the Economy,” with each issue including a framing quote from a speech, overview on action items, what the problems are that need to be solved, what his specific plan is, what his record is on the issue and links to more detailed issue-specific policy papers and speeches on the topic.
As for hip-hop artists Black Eyed Peas, they have won three Grammys and have had three worldwide #1 hits.
http://www.blackeyedpeas.com/
Here’s some substance:
Comparison of the official record between Clinton and Obama. Being married to a governor or to a president does not count on the official record. This is voting records and bill submissions in the United States Senate.
Who is Will.i.am?
Who are the Black Eyed Peas?
Who is Fergie?
I’m supposed to be working but I’m laughing, laughing, laughing…at El.A asking about will.i.am, and the young whippersnappers setting him straight!
Nice to be called a “young whippersnapper” – yeah! To be honest, I used to think that 40 was old until I got here.
OH! I do believe, Old Anonima has just been faced!! (do we have to define ‘faced’ for you too?)
well i’m all up for a “face-off”.
what i am really asking is what qualifies will i am to become a political superhero commentator.
im hip enuff to know the black eyed peas had a smash hit with “my humps” and that fergie is a dish.
but what i’m askin is how does will i am go from the black eyed peas to apparently obama’s media strategist?
i appreciate kenley and tyler’s links to Obama, man of substance.
but i’m a lil bleary this morning and wonder if you guys could summarize and highlight some points.
here is the latest from will i am blog
http://will-i-am.blackeyedpeas.com/
“The We Are The Ones Song
by will.i.am, March 2 @435
people say Obama’s words are just words… but… when was the last time “words” weren’t important…???… when was the last time a great leader didn’t use words to lead…??… when was the last time a person didn’t use words to describe how they felt…?… when was the last time “words” weren’t empowering…?… and we can all recall the last time “words” were used to divide us and install fear… Bush used words to fear us into voting for him the second time around… terror this……”
Is this deep or what?
i still seem to be resistant to seeing past the obama shine, but i enjoyed seeing macy gray and john leguzamo (sp?) in the video.
i’m unhip enuff to not recognize most of the faces in the video.
is that somnambulistic nora jones that sings the refrain throughout the video?
c’mon you hip young whippersnappers.
show me some “face”.
don’t give me no jive
what i am really asking is what qualifies will i am to become a political superhero commentator.
Leadership, talent and execution. No entitlement – just the ability to create an emotional connection to a man who has inspired him. Isn’t that the politics of hope?
My understanding is that will.i.am and Jesse Dylan are operating independently of the campaign.
Meanwhile, summarize and highlight some points? Check out Obama’s platform on the Economy. Plenty of reading for the bleary-eyed.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
I only have one real question today as I get ready to begin calling Texas voters for Obama. Will He do what has to be done for this country when he is President. I know he’s campaigning and I know not all Republicans are pad, but he’s been out on the stump trying to get indys to vote for him by saying he’ll put Republicans in his cabinet. Not the worst thing in the world, but it still worries me because of the magnitude of the problems he will have to face.
He has to dismantle the apparatus of fascism that the Bush Administration has been building. He must utterly destroy the notion of a unitary executive. Then he must prosecute the majority of the members of the Bush Administration for charges ranging from Fraud to Treason. Then he’ll have to go after the contractors and other corporate criminals and war profiteers.
If he doesn’t do these things then there is no hope,
Tyler- it’s been awhile since I’ve said this, but I LOVE YOU, MAN!!
I will grant you Obama is spearheading the politics of hope.
Who would you say is closer to the “politics of realism”?
spk- if Obama wins I hope he considers you for Attorney General.
Kick some butt!
Take no prisoners!
I love you too, pseudonymous reader El-A.
Na, I’m thinking John Edwards for AG.
“Then he must prosecute the majority of the members of the Bush Administration for charges ranging from Fraud to Treason. Then he’ll have to go after the contractors and other corporate criminals and war profiteers. If he doesn’t do these things then there is no hope”.
SPK, I’m curious: has Obama ever actually promised to do this? Has he even spoken of this issue at all?
As Naomi Wolf outlines with remarkable percision in her book, The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot, there has been a fascist shift occurring in this country for the last thirty years with much of it happening in the last seven. This shift has seriously damaged the our media. The media that the founders meant to be a guardian of the Constitution and democracy has been copted by giant corporate conglomerates with interlocking boards of directors. It no longer serves the will of the American people. It serves the will of the PR firms like Burson-Marsteller and the corportocracy.
Candidates that go around stating the will of the people are marginalized. John Edwards was essintially boycotted by the media. Let’s not even talk about Kucinich or Ron Paul. In poll after poll the American people routinely ask for the end the occupation in Iraq, universal, single-payer health care, the repeal of NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA, et. al., a return to a progressive tax system and many more ideas labeled LIBRAL by the mainstream media. It is this fact that has caused Obama to run a campaign admittedly based on the diaphaneous notion of HOPE. If he were to come out and say the things that need to be done to save this country from what Hunter S. Thompson called “the Grim Slide”, he must run an oblique campaign. Clinton, on the other hand, is a life long corporate lawyer who sat on the board of directors of WalMart.
Earlier I mentioned the giant PR firm Burson-Marsteller. Hillary Clinton’s chief political strategist is Mark Penn. Mark Penn is the CEO of B-M. Among the clients that have hired B-M to make them look good are the military junta of the Dirty War in Argentina, Chili’s Agusto Pinochet, Philip Morris, and the nefarious Blackwater USA. There are many other corporate entities that are also clients of B-M, and a lot of them have serious contracts in Iraq.With someone like this the architect of her strategy in the campaign, it seems more and more unlikely that Hillary Clinton has any interest in addressing the issues Ameircan’s care about. This combined with the track record of her husband when he became President gives a very good idea that Clinton will not go after the Bush administration. The first Clinton administration forgave Reagan/Bush and it is very likely that any new Clinton administration would forgive W.
In answer to your question, No. I have not heard Obama say he would hold the war criminals responsible. But I have HOPE. It’s abundantly clear that Clinton won’t.
spk your diaphaneous insight is deafening…praise jesus and pass the ammo!
Thank You. I think.
I have absolutely no illusions that Hilary will/would go after Bush & Co. But I honestly feel that believing and hoping that Obama will (when he has never given any indication to lead one to think as much) is what psychologists label “projecting”. I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t see it ever happening. (Now John Edwards was another story -I would have voted for him just on that issue). I guess time will tell.
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