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bette midler and wavey gravey, what a combo!!!! Hope you're not makin' little dvorahji's..oy vey..

YOUGOTTABEKIDDING! I'm celibate of course!! Can't remember when I had my last Swamaji...But you can be sure I was chanting...

Cele-bate
Cele-bate

Listen to the Music!!

Dvorah, why provide what wisdom you carry through these rediculous skits. Your exentricity has gotten the best of you. Even though everything is meaningless and we all need to shut up, people have meaningful moments and speak to express themselves weather happy or sad. You speak to those in need of guidence as if they were wild animals and you were the Lion Queen. Go deeper Dvorah. Talk to those who know that there thoughts come and go, and know who they are, play with us too!! In the next video I want to see Dvorah M.D.

Darling New David - of course people have meaningful moments! It's not "meaningless" it's "beautifully, adorable, sacredly meaningless" Meaningless is "Big, vast, awesome".

Shut up, means "fall Silent" drop your thoughts that make you unhappy! And I agree with you - my skits are ridiculous, but sometimes, it takes something completely silly...The wisdom I carry is "empty" how can you talk about empty without being ridiculous??? Everyone gives their own "wisdom" differently. You sound like a truly thoughtful "wise" young man. Show the world what you have to offer - give them yourself...I will be your greatest Fan...sign me up for your cheering team - love Dvorah

David, I was thinking about you. E-mail me privately if you'd like. You said you wanted me to talk to you as someone who knows "thoughts come and go" and "understands who they are". Good. So let me be completely frank and open with you.

It's impossible to talk about "emptiness, wisdom etc" in any serious way, because then it turns into just another intellectual discussion about nothing, and I mean nothing. I know you've probably heard Krishna Murti, Gangaji, Katie, or some other "wise" person talk about "deep wisdom, the Self, Enlightenment etc" and now you have a concept of what that looks like when someone offers "truth or freedom".

I also sometimes yap about the same thing - but I know nothing about IT and neither do THEY. You can only BE IT. I don't know why the whole thing is such a mystery, because we are talking about "Our Very Nature" something we already are. It really is like the seeker fish swimming thousands of miles to the Indian Ocean to find the enlightened fish and asking him, "Holy One. Show me the water?"

If you are serious about finding out "Who you are NOT", and still want to play with Me. Then listen when I say "Shut Up and Be Happy!" Listen when I say, "Life is Awesomely Meaningless". No more "buts or ands!!! NO more "what do you mean by that Dvorah? Be Still.

Don't try and make anything different! Stand in Space, free falling. Say Shut UP to every "BUT and MAYBE" that arises until nothing is left! And then come and Play with Me.

Until then, Silly eccentric ridiculously funny Dvorahji will have to do. If you "seriously" want to play with Me - put a rubber chicken hat on your head and let's play hop-scotch.

Much Love to you dear Boy, Dvorah

Dear Dvorah,

It is bad enough seeing you pose as a dispenser of wisdom, but don't you even know that the man's name is Krishnamurti, not Krishna Murti??

I know you imagine yourself to be a source of wisdom dressed up as foolishness, but you are really just foolishness parading as foolish wisdom.

Dear old David:
Now, finally a wise man!
Know that I will always be an anoorexic/dislecKsic

I'm a local artist and love the spiritual vibe here in Ojai. I went to a Krishnamurti meeting when I first came to Ojai, I understood his concepts, but what a lifeless group. No light, no joy, no art, no beauty. It felt like he sucked the life out of them. A group of intellectual, egotistical, joyless, loveless zombies. Really sad. Talking about having the child stomped out of you!
I'll take Dvorah anyday!

Greetings Anonymous Artist,

What is interesting is that many of Ojai's great artists and writers were also students of Krishnamurti's teachings, including people like Beatrice Wood. I can assure you her inner child was very much alive at age 105!

I grew up in Ojai (have lived here since 1957) and was fortunate to be close friends with many of the people who had a longtime association with Krishnamurti. His teachings have had a profound influence on every aspect of my life.

I'm curious to know what kind of Krishnamurti meeting you attended. I gather from your description that he was still alive.

Thank you for commenting here. I do enjoy reading what everyone thinks!

Namaste,

Suzaji

My experience coincides with AA #9.
KM was a genius in the head.
He provides a road map for the brainmind.
Unfortunately his freeway is congested as the traffic moves lower down. Although I have heard he (or was it his brother) had an affair(s) with some lovelies.
I'm sorry the gossip is just so juicy among all these "enlightened masters" fondling children, drinking urine, sex and drug orgies. Man I live a very tame unenlightened life.

My ex-fraudulent guru (yes, its the RollsRoyceian Osho, although i knew him as THE bhagwan) used to trash most other "spiritual" teachers, but he had a fondness for KM.
He used to say KM was a fine solo flute player while he (the bhagwan) was the conductor of the orchestra.
Both equally skillful, just one capable of making a bigger noise.

I'd rather eat gravel then listen to another Krishnamurti tape! I work at a public access channel and if I see him roll his eyes one more time, I'm going to quit! I say stay clear of him unless you're having trouble sleeping!

number #5, Each of us has a source of wisdom. I think Devorah is just offering her path to being happy. I personally don't believe in masters or gurus but I do believe that everyone has something unique to offer and if it rings a bell in you great! If it doesn't then you should go to something or someone else.

Devorah's videos look like child's play to me, like a children's show for adults. I have only seen a few of them, but I find them full of joy, innocent and playful. I've never seen Krishnamurti but I have seen Gangaji and Katie too. And I've had some exceptional experiences with both of them.

El Anon,

Insofar as your comments are intended to apply to Krishnamurti, they are ugly, vulgar, disrespectful, and very unworthy of you. He had nothing whatsoever to do with drinking urine, fondling children, or any of the other ugly things you mention, and no one has ever suggested otherwise. He was not celebate, but he never advocated celebacy. He considered sex a normal human function and saw no reason to deny or suppress it.

You have related how Rajneesh regarded Krishnamurti. I wonder if you can imagine how Krishnamurti regarded Rajneesh?

David-
1000 apologies.
I did not mean to ascribe any of those vulgarities to KM.
They are in the rumor mill (and some even proven) in regard to other "enlightened" teachers.

I actually have a great respect for KM.
I heard him speak in Bombay in 1978 addressing 1000s of seekers.
It was the same weekend I sat at the feet of the "Bidi Baba" (Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj) as well as my usual mornings with Rajneesh.
At the end of that weekend I had quite a headache.

Again- I am sorry if I misrepresented the great wisdom of KM.

All right, sir -- apology accepted! with gratitude!

El Anonimo, for whatever it's worth:
i am grateful for your display of humility and grace in comment #15. i think you are clearly fully human, and i appreciate you.

#13 Dearest Maggie - My experience with Masters (Gurus) is you might see many, but one will capture you and you will be smitten beyond repair. What if I told you that God is a word, written in a book, painted on a canvas, hanging on a wall, in the mind of a scriptwriter and The GURU is the scriptwriter. He is all there Is. And he is the only one that can give you peace. Why? Because he is your very Nature. It’s that simple.

Now, if you’re lucky enough to find a
Guru in the flesh, standing in front of you, calling
your name, you better lay your burden down,
because this is your chance to be free.
Never mind about all the questions,
doubts, and nonsense you’ve heard. Drop your
misery and step into the embrace of that sweet
Love.

You don’t ever have to worry about finding the right Guru. He will find you, and that's a promise - straight from "your" GURU.

GURU-vee...!!!

Is being smitten by a 'guru' like being smitten by Jesus Christ and becoming "a born-again Christian?"

My dear Christian friends and family members too have dropped their burden, no longer question, and are "high on the Lord."

What is the difference?

Suza, lovely question: As I see it, "Born again Christians" are only high on "their Lord" and everyone else is going to Hell! and their mission in life is to convert you, get you to be like them with all their rules and tenets. they love their lord and they love themselves and feel sorry for everyone else who is going to "Hell". I, personally have rarely had a true friendship with a born again. Because I always feel that our friendship is based on them converting me. It's always un-natural and full of motive.

From my experience, to be smitten in deep love "beyond repair" is to fall in love with everyone, knowing we are all one spirit (for lack of another description). You may still question everything and even disagree and argue like crazy with your Guru - but in That love you are lost, in awe, overjoyed and safe.

And you fall in love with everyone & everything. You're wish is that everyone be happy and free in peace - you don't want to convert anyone - you only want to offer yourself in service and have fun with all your friends. You don't approach someone with "Let me save you from Hell!" you say hello to everyone as a dear friend, and you become smitten with them too.

(An excerpt from My Guru)
The Master doesn’t do anything. There is no
difference between you and the Master, because a
Master is just like a window. He just reflects you. He doesn’t advise you, or bind you: “You should do this. You don’t do this...” He is there, just like the window.

He helps you, brings you up. He doesn’t do
anything, no effort...The fragrance in the flower. It doesn’t make an effort to send its fragrance. It just gets carried away...He invokes. He kindles something that is deep in you. By its very presence that something that celebration, gets kindled. That love in the heart gets kindled. A possibility of a higher love becomes very clear in our life. That’s what a Master does.
--Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

Thank you Dvorah.

For now, I am pondering your reply.

OK. For what it's worth, here's how it looks to me.

I have seen the ads and read articles about your Guru for years in the yoga magazines I write for. So this is of interest to me.

Coming from a family of born-agains, ministers and preachers, on the whole, the more they "believe" the happier they are. Plus, my missionary relatives, like your Guru, do good work helping those less fortunate.

Christian "Gurus" like successful Indian Gurus, have hordes of followers. You have never seen such a happy bunch!

You have told us the differences between those who are smitten by gurus and the born-agains.

Now let's consider the possible similarities.

Is there an element of delusion?

self-absorption?

impervious to reason (difficult to reason with)?

no longer capable of thinking for yourself? or even wanting to!

wish the rest of us would see the light and hang out with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar?

I did look up your Guru's web site and saw that he has some good qualities.

In fact, so far, I found no scandals. But I did find this:

Is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar a Con Man?

http://www.deeshaa.org/is-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-a-con-man/

From what I have learned so far, I agree with the conclusion of the above author:

"I believe that Ravi Shankar falls in the “Useful” category."

"Postscript: I occasionally receive emails from the devotees of SSRS (I use that word advisedly since now SSRS has been elevated to the position of a minor deity by some of his followers.) These emails basically advise me to enroll in an Art of Living course because then I too would see the light and convert from my evidently uninformed view which makes me consider SSRS to be merely useful instead of being an enlightened being. I guess my enlightenment will be postponed due to my reluctance to enroll. So be it."

Dvorah advocates on one hand (as advised by her guru) falling in love with everyone, then almost in the same breath on the other hand bashes Christians and is unwilling to befriend them.

Dear Curious - just because you fall in love with everyone, doesn't mean you want them over for dinner. Love is from the heart, from your vast spacious spirit - it's bigger then likes and dislikes. I do in fact love my Christian friends, I don't however like them calling me Sunday morning at 8:00 am, to tell me Mininister X is on tv, and I should watch him because it's good for me and time is getting short before I end up in hell.

I love the guys that come knocking at my door, in the middle of a beautful peaceful brunch with my daughter too. They want to tell me "Jesus Saves", so they can get another notch in heaven for knocking at my door. I love them , I just don't want to have a long conversation with them cause it's all one-sided. I love Jesus too and I pray to him regularly to save me from HIS fanatic folloiwers.

Love is love is love, but people are people are people, everyone has a different belief and personality. You can love a person deeply by feeling your connection to their soul (for a better word here). You know that their essence is your essence and in your HEART you love them and wish them well because essentially they are your "Very Self". As Wavey Gravey put it, (and I paraphrase), "...People are just shanking hands with themselves".

However, you can get mad at them from "your throat". For example: there's that phone call at 8:00 am: "Dvorah, turn on channel 5 quickly, hurry up! That new minister's on TV!" And I say loudly, " Don't Fricken call me again this early in the morning, cause I'm not goin to hell today!" and I hang up.

Does that mean I don't love them deeply and wish the best for them? No. It means, "Let's not hang out today or ever, if all you want to do is convert me. Have a heart, I sleeping!"

True Love is not an emotion, or a thought, It's your very Nature. My personality and how I display it, is another story - I can love you or hate you, say sweet nothings or curse you, I'm a scorpio with a pisces moon and Scorpio rising, with an 11 birth path in numerology and SO WHAT? It's not my Nature! It just means I move through the world and react in a certain way.

Christian or Jew, Buddhist or Monkey - You are all my Very Nature and I love you as I love Myself! But Please do not call me at 8 in the morning, cause you are going to piss me off!

Did you see Comment #22 and #23?

(Sorry folks, I was out)
Suza, don't take offense - follow your heart. I'm not interested in getting you to follow Sri Sri or anyone else. Everyone finds their own Love to guide them.

There is delusion, self-absorption and BS everywhere. Those who want to sign you up for an art of living course are doing their bit to help and unfortunately, they can also be fanatic. But that doesn't mean I like it or condone any of it. However, remember that AOL sends you "One-occasional" e-mail or they have an open invitation in the media. You can flip the page or delete. They are not at your door Sunday morning again and again.

Suza, It's up to you to decipher what's true for you. From my perspective, Enlightenment's a joke! I don't want you to be anything different than who you are and I certainly don't want you to enroll in anything. I trust fully that YOUR path, whatever that is, will get you exactly where you need to be.

I'm the one that wants to enroll in your class, sign me up!!

#7 Comment
Dear David:
I was just reading some of your comments and realize you deserve more then a flippant answer from me.

I hadn’t written a book in 15 years and wasn’t planning on writing another one, when I woke up one morning, wired and wrote 3 chapters of a title repeating itself in my head called, “Shut Up! An Ancient Mantra for Complete Happiness, The Simple Truth Your Guru, Therapist and Grandmother Forgot To Tell You.

My Guru Sri Sri Ravi Shankar happened to be in town that weekend, so I brought it to satsang and asked him, “Would you like to hear this?” He said, “Yes, Dvorah read it.” When I was finished he said, “Vasistha in modern times – go home and finish it”.

I didn’t think much about it, except “that was fun!” So I went home and finished the manuscript in 4 days (blissed out).

When I brought the book to him in Canada he said, “Go home, there’s more, and when you’re done, Art of Living will publish it.” I was surprised and thought that was the end of it. People would buy the book and I would go back to watching TV, walking the dog and playing with the internet.

Honestly, I don’t know how I got started doing “Dvorahji”, but here I am with a Mickey Mouse hat on my head. Foolish, for sure. Foolish wisdom, for sure. I don’t know why I couldn’t just pretend to be a respected author, who just travels around talking
about her latest book, but NO! I had to put on a Peter Pan hat and be a Yente pretending to be a Guru! How ridiculous does that sound? Do you think I’d be running around acting like fool if I had a choice? I’d much rather write another book, and be respected, as a speaker at Head Start Conventions, or be a columnist for the Chicago Tribune, like I’ve been in the past. Unfortunately, it's too late for that, the caterpillar has turned into a butterfly.

Whether you agree with it or not, this format serves those who are attracted to it – and are relieved by it. One man’s foolish misleading nonsense is another man’s blessing and lightens his heart. I only offer what I am – and as the God’s would have it, the jokes on me.

Much Love Dvorah

Comment #23 - Suza - once you walk into the public eye, especially as a leader, there will always be bad and good opinions about you - especially by people who don't know the first things about you and have never had any contact with you. You'll even get a couple of stalkers (even I've had my share and I'm barely even public).

If someone is really interested in finding out about Sri Sri Ravi Shankar - then go to http://us.artofliving.org/index.html look under Service (and everything else) and take a look at the work that has been done in his name. Verify it - check out what you read (not just an opinion here and there) and then come to your own conclusions.

not to stereotype or anything but I'm quite sure I recently bought a used car from Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's brother.

It seems to run just fine....
.....................................so far

not to generalize or anything but I sense all of us who live in "Awha'y" (tip o' the hat to Millenium) have a huge spiritual blanket over us knitted by the Theosophists (Annie and Madame B) and of course KM and of course people of the Chumash Nation.

Interesting factoid:
"Chumash" also refers to "(IPA: [xuˈmɑʃ]) (Hebrew: חומש; also Humash) is one of the Hebrew names for the Five Books of Moses, also known as the Pentateuch or Torah. The word comes from the Hebrew word for five, chamesh. A more formal term is "Chamishah Chumshei Torah."

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chumash_%28Judaism%29

Good Luck!! EL-A - if that car stops working - come to me - I've got a cousin, He's got an old jalopy with a a new porche engine, and I'll make sure you get it cheap! Sorry no warrenty! But I'll sprinkle some holy water on it and call my Guru! If that doesn't work I'll have it baptized, maybe we can get one of Osho's old Rolls Royces?

what Katie are you referring to?

Katie Lied?

Katie Bar The Door?

Lord Byron Katie...
.........who has of late been seen in these parts....

Bryon Katie is one of the noted authors at The Ojai Post see http://www.thework.com/index.asp
Good luck on your searching...love Dvorah

Just to clarify, Byron Katie is not associated with the Post in any way. We have a page on the left column called "Noted Ojai Authors" which is a growing compendium of authors who live in and/or write about Ojai. Suza has been helping me get it together. However, Ms. Katie would be more than welcome to join the Post as an Author and need only drop me a line via the Contact Us page.

why would we want Ms. Katie as an Author?

We already have DEVORAHJI spouting brilliant and hilarious nonsense!!!

I, for one, don't want to see any GURU fights around here.

ONE is ENOUGH!!

duly noted :)

BIG EL - Thank Godji that you keep it all in check! What would we do without YOU! I hope you're takin' notes as I'm thinkin of writing another book in jibberish and I'm counting on you to interpret in
Sanscrit and Yiddish (maybe Spanish too).

Wanna take a dip in the Ganges together? I'm going to India in November. I'll show you my Guru, if you show me Yours! Until then, Big EL - stand at your Ojai Post and keep the freaks out cause I need space!! love, your grateful Devorahji

Devour-AH-ji!!

When I was at the Ganges in 1978 I came back home with 1 gallon of Ganges River water.
Every time I take a bath I pour in 1 thimbleful of that Holy (infested) water.
I feel like I bathe in the Ganges weekly.

Ah Big EL Animalymous - you must be infestatious with joy! Om Shanti Shanti to your pure bathed body! Send me a picture of the thimble - I'll put it on my shrine together with your comments.

Dear Dvorah,

Thank you for your reply. If I understand you correctly, you are confirming what I surmised -- that you consider yourself a source of wisdom dressed up as foolishness.

In other words, in your videos and comments and so on, you are not just making fun of yourself, or playing for laughs.

You actually believe that, underneath your Mickey Mouse hat, you have something important to say, something wise and insightful and true.

Right?

David - I consider myself a product of My Nature! If you want to attribute wise qualities, fine, If you want to attribute foolishness or nonsense that's fine too. The consideration or judegment is in the listener.

Dear Dvorah,

You consider yourself a product of Your Nature, and you consider Your Nature to be a source of true and important wisdom, albeit dressed in a Mickey Mouse hat.

Come on, admit it.

El-Animalimo - for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D7rWLzloOI

Thank you for all your responses to my comments, Devorah.
I appreciate that you take the time to reply. And that you are kind!

You are most welcome to come to my classes. Here is the schedule:

http://www.suzafrancina.com/group_schedule.shtml

Ah Davie - you cagey Tiger! Think you Got me in a corner dontcha!!

Please don't scratch Davie--Be kind! Ahimsa.
In the end, that's what matters most.

Are you Kidding? He's the one that scares me! Davey Boy, here goes before you eat me up! Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes! Dvorahji is a Big Bad Beautiful/plumple magnificient/trumple Wise/dummple Important/mouse and most Saintly/Ho!!!!

What would Dvorahji be if she didn't share all her plumple assets with the world at large? Dvorahji says YES! YOU GOT ME! I WANNA MAKE NICE ALL OVER DA WORLD!

it is the nature of everything to give...everything is giving...the bud grows into a flower and shows itself...the artist takes a brush and shows herself, everyone and everything gives itself all the time, offers oneself all the time...everyone and everything has "no alternative" but to offer what they are...we all share our wisdom whenever we can, some are more "plumples" then others. lol

dv-
do you notice how high he is on anti-asthmatics and pain-killers?

Big EL - He's a good example of how you're not the body or mind for that matter!!!

I just flipped to the Christian channel (which contrary to belief I occasionally watch)-I do love their ferver and joy, they really get into their "bhakti". There's nothing like hearing Aretha Franklin singing a gospel song or Elvis for that matter - puts you on your knees in gratefullness...and makes you gurgle in bliss...Soooo yes, AMEN to the Lord!

Heed me my children, take two aspirin, say OOM MANE PADME OOM AND A COUPLE of
AHH OOOOMMMMS, you will have instant wisdom and your sex drive will evaporate.
BLEESINGS TO ALL.