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For information on the great number of scientists opposing the Global Warming 'theory' type in: scientists opposed to global warming (on internet) and click on: 'list of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming'- and 'apc united nations-articles- there is no global warming'- -and others.- There seems to be a lot of opposition to "Global Warming" that's not publicised by the controlled mainstream media.--Ed Nemechek.

Dear Ed Nemechek

I decided to do as you suggested and was referred to an article in Wikipedia. Here is the first paragraph of that article:

This article lists scientists and former scientists who have stated disagreement with one or more of the principal conclusions of the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming. It should not be interpreted as a list of global warming skeptics. Inclusion is based on specific technical criteria that do not necessarily reflect a broader skepticism toward climate change caused by human activity, or that such change could be large enough to be harmful.

In case you missed it, let me highlight the key point: IT SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED AS A LIST OF GLOBAL WARMING SKEPTICS.

If you insist on being such an extreme contrarian in your views, can't you come up with some kind of better evidence than that???

Ed - you are fatiguing multiple readers, authors and participants on the Ojai Post - I have received numerous complaints and even sheer wonder at the frequency and tone of the posts from what one called "the resident crank".

You are rigid and relentless in expressing your opinions, you cut-and-paste across multiple threads, you frequently express your agenda without any regard for how the Ojai community feels about it (www.ojaipost.com, search: gravel trucks, teachers carrying guns) and quite frankly, you're not fun.

If you don't take a four week sabbatical from our site, find some other blogs, and tone down the constant rhetoric, then I will ban you.

As the comment section states: "Despite differing opinions, we would all like to see Ojai's character and quality of life preserved and improved for generations to come."

Considering you live hours away from Ojai, and don't seem to express any regard for our actual community unless it coincides with your already established agenda (www.ojaipost.com, search dc-10 supertanker), I have no hesitation asking you to find other online communities that are more in alignment with the agenda you are pushing.

This is a monstrous bill that must be stopped in its' entirety as it amounts to a massive attack on our national industry, strength, security, and Americas' very existance. This bill amounts to national suicide as it proposes to throw away our noble inheritance as the greatest nation in history in a feel good frenzy of self indulgent abject prostration before the transparent false gods of environmentalism. We must not betray our ancestors who sacrificed so much to build our country by throwing our country away for a feel good mess of pottage. -- Ed Nemechek.

Geez, thanks for proving my point, Ed. I'm going to guess that you didn't see my comment above. Read it, internalize it and enjoy your vacation.

OK Tyler, However it seems a blatant squelching of the free exchange of ideas that I thought were the purpose of newspapers. I also disagree with your assessment of myself. But nevertheless it's your newspaper. --Ed.

Also Tyler: I have no problem with the 'vacation', maybe even permanent, but as I really don't understand your position (it could be my inherent convictions) I wish you would give me a call to clarify the situation for my own understanding-Thanks--Ed-760-246-8059.

Ed - this is NOT "blatant squelching of the free exchange of ideas".

As we are your first blog (I know this because when you initially wanted to participate, you left four consecutive voicemails on my phone early on a Sunday morning), it is clear that you have not mastered any etiquette of participation.

Of course you disagree with my assessment - that's really the point. You have been unable to modify your tone and participate in any sort of collaborative way, despite a ton of pushback from myself and other members in this community.

You might feel I'm a tyrant or a socialist or a communist or a DFH or that I don't believe in the first amendment, or some other nonsense, but I suggest you read my above post, take a good look in the mirror and stop pointing your finger at everyone else because they aren't Ed Nemechek.

Ed - I have no problem with the fact you have "inherent convictions". But you are burdening this forum with them.

If my initial comment above didn't "clarify the situation" then I don't think anything will. Anyone else reading this thread will know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

I'm not calling you on the phone, because this is an open forum, and this is where the dialogue is.

To: Senator Barbara Boxer http://boxer.senate.gov
Senator Dianne Feinstein http://feinstein.senate.gov
Representative Lois Capps http://www.house.gov/capps

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear _________________:

Climate change is finally on the agenda in both houses of Congress. This is heartening news.

Effective legislation needs to initiate a massive effort to significantly reduce the causes of global warming. To do this, new laws must be based on the following five principles:

(1) Cover all forms of pollution that contribute to global warming.

(2) Place hard caps on greenhouse gas emissions.

(3) Develop a concrete timetable for reducing such emissions.

(4) Establish environmentally sound standards for ethanol and other biofuels.

(5) Promote free market competition for new ways to produce clean energy.

Please make sure that all bills include these essential principles.

Sincerely,

Free Ed Nemechek!

hahaha...

Natural gas emits 40 % of the CO2 that coal does so it is not a totally clean burning fuel, just cleaner than coal. We shouldn't be wasting natural gas by burning it in electrical generating plants, it would be much better utilized for transportation, that would help us reduce the use of gasoline in our cars.

Check this out:

http://www.myphill.com/

Since we already have the infastructure in place it would be an easy transition. And we have lots of natural gas in North America, but we should use it wisely.

And of course we should start building nuclear power plants right away.

Brian

I almost reposted my facts by atmospheric science on the
subject but feel it is beneath me to wrangle about such a proven global threat. Anyone interested in a dialogue with native peoples losing their culture in the Arctic Circle regions would receive proof this is no liberal scare tactic. Also, the recent Natural Wildlife Federation fact-finding trip to Greenland to examine the extent of the ice sheet melting can be viewed by entering NWF GLOBAL WARMING IN GREENLAND DAY 1 on youtube. It's been real...

I almost reposted my facts by atmospheric science on the
subject but feel it is beneath me to wrangle about such a proven global threat. Anyone interested in a dialogue with native peoples losing their culture in the Arctic Circle regions would receive proof this is no liberal scare tactic. Also, the recent Natural Wildlife Federation fact-finding trip to Greenland to examine the extent of the ice sheet melting can be viewed by entering NWF GLOBAL WARMING IN GREENLAND DAY 1 on youtube. It's been real...

I went off to work this morning quite disturbed about what I had read on my new favorite blog, The Ojai Post. I thought about it all day and what I might write tonight or how I might express my feelings in a non-violent way.

First, I must say I have a huge problem with censorship. So many intelligent people on this blog, including the founder, yet everyone seems to have misplaced the scroll button on their computers. If you find what someone says disturbing, confrontational, or unimportant, why can’t you just scroll past it? Why do you have to censure someone?

I found a lot of things Ed said disturbing, but I also found a lot of things he said that I agreed with. The point is, who decides whether he gets to speak or not? Tyler, you say people have complained to you. I’ve complained to you about the censorship on this site and you have justified it by saying you allow your authors to censor their own pages. I find this disturbing. Censorship chills free speech. Ed today…Me tomorrow. Or maybe it manifests itself in a veiled threat to Brian on another thread because he has a different idea about vegetarianism.

People banned? Why not as Ed says, “let the market decide”? If people don’t want to read what a person says, let them pass it by. Why do you, Tyler, or your “authors” take it upon yourselves to decide what I can read and (by your actions) what I can say?

I already have a government who wants to listen to my phone calls, read my mail, read my e-mails, or do sneak and peak searches into my home. I don’t need another Big Brother deciding who I get to hear from and who I don’t.

To say you have the ability to “ban” folks implies that you also have the ability to know who says what on these pages. How else could you ban someone with all the anonymous posters on this site?

And speaking of anonymous posters, Ed is one of the few who actually left his name AND his phone number. He was not afraid to dialogue with anyone either in cyberspace or in real life. For this he is given a “time out”. (Thanks Dad) I think I can decide for myself who I want to listen to and who I want to ignore.

Of course the bottom line for you, Tyler, and many of the posters on this page will be, “this is my site and I can decide how it will be run”. You’re right about that and I get to decide to find another site to join. After all, I’m not represented on this mostly male driven site and I don’t really live in Ojai either!

Coleen-

I really don't know what to say or have a desire to "debate" the point with you.

I am totally in support of Tyler banning Ed.

El Anonimo, you wrote:

"I am totally in support of Tyler banning Ed."

Why?

LTOR-

Thanks for asking.

There is a short answer and a long answer.

The short answer is:

1. Tyler is the founder and I would designate him as the "leader" and "moderator" (I am not sure he defines himself that way?) and so he can do what he wants with the site, especially since he explained his position based on his personal reaction as well as comments from others.

2. The broken record known as "Ed Nemechek" disturbed my hearing and equanimity.

3. I come to the ojai post for news and general interest stories about Ojai or issues that may affect Ojai and even for issues that are on the mind of valley residents and those concerned about the valley. Ed barely fit into those categories

4. There are other points in the short answer, but I'll keep it short.

The short version of the long answer has something to do with the "jbs" still believing the government is overrun with communists who are in cahoots with mexicans, gays, jews, blacks and international cabals to ruin the wonderful life you and I have.

Wow, I love it! I don't know, Ed does kind of drive me a bit crazy, just like listening to the rabid dog, lost, right wing shout/spin machine.
What I do know is that my electricity is generated from sunlight, and today is another very sunny day. Peace on eart.

Wow, I love it! I don't know, Ed does kind of drive me a bit crazy, just like listening to the rabid dog, lost, right wing shout/spin machine.
What I do know is that my electricity is generated from sunlight, and today is another very sunny day. Peace on earth everybody.
PS
I am not a big fan of censorship, even for silly Ed Numchuck. When I see his postings I usually just laugh.

Censorship, schmensorship.

Ed is a guy screaming FIRE FIRE FIRE in a house that is just boiling water for coffee

Coleen: You've made some wonderful, salient points here on the OP (on a variety of issues) and I'm sure you've got lots more to share...

I sure hope you stick around!!

I also hope Coleen does not run off! But I have to admit that I laughingly agree with El Anonimo on "Censorship, schmensorship..."

Hi all - I've been offline for the last day and a half, moving from downtown out to the east end.

Ed is not technically banned. I requested he take a sabbatical and I was pretty clear why.

I don't think that being a moderator and having to step in on occasion is in any way censorship. Ed frequently pushed his agenda without engaging in dialogue, and did not communicate from within the spirit of the Ojai community.

I appreciate the debate, and welcome criticism or critique of my decisions. Whether I finally kicked Ed off after numerous warnings and nudges or just let him be Ed, either way I would have a portion of the readership unhappy with my decision or indecision. I felt a sabbatical and recommendation to participate on other blogs for a while a fair solution as a moderator.

I appreciate the debate, and welcome criticism or critique of my decisions.

Alrighty then:

The bottom line is that it\'s your blog. You created it. It\'s not a natural phenomenon. It\'s not air, sunshine and water. No one has an immutable constitutional and/or basic human right to be here. Additionally, no one has the right to be here and behave any way they want to without needing to consider the consequences of what they say or how they say it. If it were a coffee shop, it would be your coffee shop, and you\'d have the right to require a certain standard of behavior from your patrons, even if they were helping to pay your rent. As anyone in retail knows, getting rid of troublesome customers might be controversial and it might lose you some of your other customers, but in the end it just makes the experience of doing business at your place that much more pleasant for everyone who remains.

I don\'t think that Ed\'s a bad guy, and I\'m glad that he\'s not actually banned. That said, I don\'t think he\'s likely to win over too many converts here, even if some of us -- myself included -- find ourselves agreeing with bits and pieces of what he says.

Don't even ask me where those back-slashes came from, because I don't know.

I am suprised that Ed is being delt with with such a heavy hand, but I guess it is representivie of how deeply our country is divided on so many many issues. I am hearing now that the hundreds of acres of burned forest, up in Northern California, the sierra club is opposing any logging of the burned forest, millions of board feet of lumber which could help our economy they would have go to waste. Let it rot instead of using it. And also today I just talked to a farmer from the Visalia area, in the Central Valley, about the Delta smelt fish, millions of acre feet of water are not going to be pumped to the west side of the Valley because of a Judge who is going along with crazy idea that this fish is endangered, which it hasn't been proven, but even if it was, the impact on farmers on the west side is real, these are people who have invested 10 to 20 years of growing various varities of trees, row crops are one thing but a tree can not survive a stop of irrigation and will die, 10 to 20 years of someones livelyhood down the drain. You let some idiot like this Millinum crack pot spout of his poision but as soon as you hear somebody from the other extreme from you, you ban him? I don't get it.

Brian Cox,

Ed has not been banned... just given a little, well-deserved vacation.

Also, as I suggested to Coleen, it is not his views that have earned him this rest -- it is the way he expressed them.... excessively, obsessively, clogging up the air....

I would have to admit that, although I do understand the predicament that Tyler finds himself in being the moderator here, if I’m truly being honest, the decision did actually rub me the wrong way initially.

I find Ed's biggest crime is his unrelenting inappropriateness (culminating in the anger and exasperation on the Summit School thread) and maybe a “Time Out” was the best thing at the end of the day. But I have not interpreted any of Ed’s posts to be rude, sarcastic or intentionally insulting (if that were a cause to be banned, many of us would be long gone - myself included). Though I find his positions mostly adverse to mine, I do find him to be genuine about his beliefs (as misguided as I feel they are). So I guess I have to admit I kind of felt SORRY for the guy, more than feeling outraged that he had been censored. And doesn't one have to admit that when one of these guys with views that irritate, even enrage, a good portion of the readers here - isn't it true that many times a good number of healthy "debates" have ensued? I'd much rather read those threads than ones where everyone is on the same page and is verbally high-fiving each other for the length of the thread.

I would hope that Ed soaks all of this in and learns a little bit about blogging netiquette - keeping his comments on appropriate threads and trying to really LISTEN to what others are posting. And realize that once one makes a point (once or twice), the habit of trying to hammer ideas and “statistics” into people’s heads isn’t a successful tactic in changing their views. It just gives them a big, fat headache! (And might even exasperate even the most mild-mannered, judicious and unflappable of moderators.)

Just my two cents.

The ban/vacation is totally appropriate, considering especially Ed's inability to blog appropriately and stay on topic instead of railroading his position where it's not even part of the dialog. The straw was the Summit post. I appreciate other viewpoints, not advertisements. He's no better than one of those Viagra ads on a thread about health insurance. And he is not even from here. This is not a regional/state/national blog, it's an Ojai blog where many topics are brought around to include what affects us here. I hope he has learned his lesson. Besides, he can always start his own blog with his own rules.

Anon 7:59

Amen
Ditto
Nuff said?

LTOR - you're on the money.

Brian Cox - to me, a "heavy hand" would have been an outright ban - I didn't do that. I have attempted to dialogue with Ed numerous times in an attempt to allow him to better integrate. He refuses to listen. As people have pointed out, the Summit thread was totally inappropriate. And regarding Millennium, he clearly pushes the edge of the envelope, and at times has crossed it - I've talked to him about it, and he listens to me. If Ed did the same, he'd still be around.

So did everyone enjoy their Ojai Day? :)

say, Ed --

sure hope you're enjoying your vacation..... and all the attention you've been getting!!!

Ok, I guess he did get a little excessive where there was really no debate happening.

I hate to ruin everyones weekend, but if you look at the sky you can see smoke again (sigh).

Here's the latest...my worry is the Piru one with memories of the Day fire.

Form GACC Sops:
10/21 1100 Ranch Fire; has burned 1600 to 1800 acres. The fire is burning parallel with Los Angeles County boundry.

10/21 1005 Canyon Fire; According to the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, the Fire has jumped PCH and is burning structures right on the beach.

10/21 0945 Los Angeles City Fire is working 1-5 acres of grass and brush in the Porter Ranch area. Firefighters working to pick up the incident fire reported laying down at this point.

10/21 0945 Ranch (CA-ANF-1306); 550 + acres I-5 cross of Templin Highway in the Castaic area. Thge fire is burning in a southwest direction. The fire is burning in grass and light to moderate fuels, winds 35+ mpg sustained with 50+ gusts reported. fire presorted a potential threat to Lake Piru a town of 1,200 people about 5 miles to the west and across a small lake from the blase. A condor Preserve was also potentially threatened. Picnha-Tulley CIMIT #3 is being mobilizee to this incident.

10/21 0945 Sedgewick (CA-LPF-1783); 250-300 acres brush burning near Siedgewick Ranch area and Figueroa Mountain 20 structures reported threatened approximately. Los Padres National Forest and Santa Barbara Clounty in unified command.

Keep your fingers crossed for Ojai yet again.... I know they aren;t near yet, but neither was the Day when it ran to our back door...and this time we have Santa Anas predicted for Mon and Tues.

Ginnys-

I was in Santa Barbara yesterday and the sky was very very "sooty".
I was told it was the winds kicking up the ash from the previous fires.

Is that what we are seeing today in Ojai, or is this new?

Ginnys-

I'm sorry.
I just reread your post and saw the note on the Sedgewick and Figueroa fires in SB.
Maybe that it what I saw yesterday

Hi Anonymous,
Sorry I didn't respond, but I thought now was a great time to chip all the tree trimmings I piled in the corner of my lot.

I just did a quick check of all the fire sites, and saw there was going to be a news conf. at 4PM (which I missed) about all the fires. I hope I'm wrong, but it's looking like another fire storm season like the one just a year or so ago. I said I'm keeping my eye on the Piru fire, and the Ventura site is says:
RECOMMENDED: Piru Canyon. PRECAUTIONARY: Piru and Fillmore residences with exposure to wildlands. EVACUATION CENTER: Fillmore Venterans Memeorial Bldg., 511 Second St., 524-1500. Take livestock to Ventura County Fairgrounds, 866-387-8911 or 805-388-4341 ext. 9.

Talk about dejavu, the Piru fire is being called the Ranch Fire (my first fire here in Ojai), and the commander is Jeanne Pincha-Tulley (the same commander that ran the Day fire). The fire sites are saying that San Francisco has been called to respond to the Piru fire.

In San Diego 2 firefighters were injured when the fire over ran their truck and one civilian killed - today's winds are pushing the fires.

I'm fire/evacuation weary, so I sure hope I'm wrong on these fires.

More info can be had at Inciweb:
http://www.inciweb.org/incident/1002/

and Ventura County:
http://fire.countyofventura.org/

Upper Ojai is now smokey (sigh)....and tomorrow the Santa Ana's start.

For those who missed the news conference KABC has pics and video of the fires:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/front

Tyler: I realize I’m breaking radio silence and getting banned by this message but I don’t plan on posting any more. I’ve pretty much said what I have to say anyway I guess. I might say that this is the most dynamic and motivating blog I’ve yet encountered and I feel like I’ve almost come to know people on it in a short time. I feel my intentions were good in that my motivation was to impart truth as I perceived it for the protection and benefit of Ojai and anywhere else for that matter. But as some bard in history has observed “The road to the theological hot place is paved with good intentions” which may be the story of my life, for offending people and overstaying my welcome seem to be my main talents. Nevertheless I’ve come to know Ojai as a really beautiful place and I hope it continues that way. Strangely, overall, this blog has been a singularly unique, informative and motivating mile stone along the journey in the space-time sea that we all must travel so to speak. I wish you all the best of everything, it’s been a good ride.--Ed.

Ed - that's a nice post. I'm sure we'll see you around, and I would like to see you integrated a bit more into the conversations as they relate to Ojai and with an ear for what others are saying. Cheers, Tyler

thank you, Ed. that's the most heartfelt and palatable thing you've ever written here, and i deeply appreciate that you've shared it with us!