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Global warming is a red herring which ignores the real problem. Ice ages and warming ages come and go, and can be adapted to. Politicians and corporations are jumping on the green wagon because it's profitable. Rocking, singing, smoking, drinking and partying on 7/7 is another distraction. The real problem is political reformation, and that's about as popular as looking at the real culprits of 911, our own secret government. My solution to real political problems is to start a new government of love with which to reform present governments. On 07/07/07 at 0707 the Red Brown and Blue Party TM is sponsoring the inauguration of The Love Government TM aka The Lover Government TM at the Ojai Fountain in Libbey Park. In protest to the U.S. Government corruption and fascist terrorism, I am avoiding all 4th of July celebrations this year. I will be reading a Declaration of Idependence on 7/7. 7 is a powerful energetic number, truly idependent of the others. The last thing the international bankers want is independence for the U.S. or anyone other than themselves. They killed JFK because he started a new money system which was controlled by the People. Flag waving sheeple suits them just fine. Love, Dennis.

Dennis, I don't agree that global warming is a "red herring." It happens to be one of the challenges humanity, especially in consumerist cultures, can address to course correct an over indulgent lifestyle. Political reform is a necessity, as you vehemently express. However, changing governmental paradigms, in all probability will not heal the inflammatory addictions of the psyche to change the destructive habitual patterns that our damaging the earth. Global warming is the media's topic de jour that opens a window in the heart that allows for an understanding of the critical juncture we are facing as a culture and species. Music is a medium for social and personal change/transformation. The artists are influential voices that can raise awareness, educate and foster compassion.

I think it is an incredible feat that the organizers of Earth Live have coalesced 7,112 'Friends of Live Earth' events in 129 countries and all 50 states. I'm an optimist. I feel the awareness that is brought to light at events such as these will cause a light to shine, a demand for change and we will see it reflected in the choices people make in their leadership.

Ray, Dennis, our Ojai Family,

it is curious (sad? fortunate? perverse? a cultural truism?) to see that Al Gore, the best known actor in the 911 banking 'stageplay', is now taken the lead in the disinformation counterintelligence campaign on global warming.

that the chief charlatans of global ecocide are now attempting to enroll the entire slave population of the 'West' (north america, uk, europe, israel, japan) in furthering the planetary rapacity of energy and waste escalation -- claiming that such continued and expanded consumerism is the solution to global warming!

it would be as if the Ojai Green Coalition handed out boxes of free candy every day to enroll us in allegedly greening the Ojai Valley, then required everyone to sign-on-the-dotted-line to cover all our sacred hills with Solar Panels, and fill up all our streets and gardens with yet MORE cars and traffic and disrespect.

'ending' global warming and waste by INCREASING the energy use and trashing of our valley and world!

on 7/07/07 when billions of religious, spiritual and tribal people around Mother Earth are gathering to do ceremony -- to meditate and pray and heal -- we have the Corporate State 911 team pushing us to do, and believe in, the opposite lie -- MORE thoughtless violence.

still, as the much worn cliche goes, it must be "all good".

whereas on September 11, 2001 our Security State moved us through the vehicle of incendiary death and destruction, for Seven Seven Seven -- 7 July 2002 -- they are merely activitating the global whip/indoctrinator of the music/media industry to encourage us to further evils.

and, perhaps, we will see, the means is not solely fear, torture and abuse this time -- but merely authority, music, dance ... fast food and beer.

'good cop and bad cop' -- all mindless cop story -- yet perhaps the corralling effect, the bringing together of all the cattle, will produce a collective 'moo/snort' sufficient to awaken a few humans!

so, let it be ...

Are you suggesting Dennis that global warming, presumably at man's cause,is not occurring, or are you saying, what is occurring around the world, that is observed by all, is of a natural phenomena, "ice ages and warming ages come and go"? Or are you just ignoring it's consequences, and those who decree its meaning to all, just for the sake of talking of the loveless govt.? Actually that is a rhetorical question.

Global warming is here and it's consequences will be devastating to many creatures around the world, most notably the Polar Bear who's ice sheets are disappearing literally beneath their feet, not knowing what is causing this, but knowing due to hunger that his days are numbered.

I remember a time when on many trips by my family from California to the middle of the country, seeing never ending blue skies. Not so anymore.

I remember standing upon the eastern shore of Australia, looking east and north, this, a country at the time of less than 20 million people, with bewilderment, with surprise at the amount of smog along the shore and the horizon. Most of it coming from Japan, Indonesia and other Asian industrial centers. The same when after work, I would drive to Cook's Inlet of Anchorage, AK, at 11:30 pm., to watch the sun go down, then back up a little more than 3 hours later, I could see the smog from Japan enveloping the Inlet.

If it were not for the constant breezes that flow all the time here, I would be choking on the smog from here.

Now with the power house economies of South Korea, Japan, Indonesia going on at a constant pace, with the exponential growth of China's and India's economies, the decapitating of the Amazon Forest, pollution is on the rise, more than at any other time in History.

"Global warming is a red herring". I think not. Nor do I believe my concern over it is a jump from the real problem.

And what's so wrong with rocking, singing, smoking(a hit of green), drinking(moderately), partying to distract ourselves. I need a break from the production and maintaining of life and live a little bit.

I will be celebrating tomorrow, but when all is done, I'll be back at my boring life figuring out the worlds problems-picking up where I left off, and I dare say, you will have missed out on some fun. There is more to life than a managery of penned contrivances no mater the sincerity of such.

Take heart my friend, not all is evil and without love.

Thanks to all for this interesting discussion. I note the disagreement with my saying that Global Warming is a red herring. After consideration, I disagree with the disagreement. I agree, however, that the deeper problem is with the human "psyche" and with the consumerist lifestyle. What is needed is a change in consciousness, motivated by love. I agree also that Global Warming is a media topic; it is so because it is a safe one; it's not going to get anyone fired; the system administrators have agreed that it's OK for the mainstream media to talk about it.

Whether music is a medium for change and raising awareness is debatable. There no doubt is truth in that, but it is probably more true that the masters of manipulation use music as propaganda and as a means to keep the masses dancing to a dictatorial tune. The bigness of Live Earth is impressive but that too is problematic. Live Earth itself is a consumerist event; imagine all the traveling, using up gas and oil, polluting the air just getting there; and then the fast food and drink. Look also at the fine print and the sponsors, like Pepsi. Imagine, selling Pepsi are a health drink which is good for the planet! Imagine the money being made by this green event which will go to drive more consumerism, buying those CD's for instance.

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but in keeping with the theme of Ojai's parade, "Seeing through a child's eye," this child has to tell the emperor he has no clothes if that is what she sees.

And then there is the question of Al Gore himself, as MT alluded to. This is the man who was VP under Clinton who forced globalization onto We the People. Think about it. Globalization and all the cruelty it has caused to poor and moderate income people, all to make a few of the rich much richer, and in the process destroying so much of our planet. Why didn't Al Gore speak up for the planet then? Did he know what he was doing? Is he playing gate keeper now? Is he serving his masters and using global warming as a political strategy? Is he genuinely concerned or is something else going on? Is he playing the good cop and Bush the bad cop? Are they both being paid off by the international bankers? Are they being threatened? Remember, if the bankers could kill a president, they can surely intimidate someone like Gore.

To answer a question above, I think global warming may be happening naturally, AND it is greatly worsened by human greed and ignorance. As I said somewhere else, if we really wanted to reduce global warming we would stop killing and eating animals. That in itself would greatly reduce global warming and solve the health problem that Michael Moore has himself and seeks to remedy with "Sicko." That's a real solution but it is ruled off the table by the media managers and their political shills, along with the tax supported meat industry and dairy lobby.

I'm all for partying and fun. I'm partying and having fun right now typing this, and later when I take a walk on Shelf Road. I would be downtown having fun in the parade and all the other fun things today, like I did last year, but this year I just cannot in conscience. Not when people are suffering and dying terribly because of U.S. blind patriotism. Independence Day started because of despots like King George III. Now we have another King George who is only a front for the same gangster bankers. Had I been a colonist in 1776, I don't think I would have joined the parade supporting King George and the Bank of England.

I'm not sure what "managery of penned contrivances" means but I'll read it this way: "the pen is mightier than the sword." And I will take to heart this message: "not all is evil and without love." I'll go further and say that all is love because evil is just twisted love. Love, Dennis.

You are not raining on my parade, nature is.

How can you say you disagree with the disagreement, then go to what you call the problem,"the human "psyche" and the consumerist life style"? Those, like myself, don't see global warming as a red herring. We also look to the cause. Some of us disagree in degrees, from complete conviction that it is man caused to naturally caused. Still, there are others that believe it not to be at all occurring.

When you say you go to what you believe the problem/cause is, are you not negating the intelligence of others, inferring that we don't concern ourselves with the cause. Really, don't you think many here are thinking of the cause as well, not simply falling for some concocted spin by others.

I agree that the "consumerist lifestyle" is the root of man's contribution to global warming. I'm not about to stop being a consumer, but I believe I make smarter choices when purchasing products, trying to reduce my impact on the environment. Yet, at times, our choice is a difficult one. One of the most toxic products for the environment out there is the Computer. But, within the next year, I will be buying one. After all, what would you all do with out my 2 cents worth of petty insight.

I have so much more to contribute in my continuing "managery of penned contrivances", yet, it's Holiday and the barbie is being started.

Dennis, I too celebrate life by walks on Shelf road and many other of my favourite haunts in Ojai, some I'm too selfish to share, for I want these places for myself when there.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/070507EB.shtml

blessings ... for the long article, walking around a total World of concern -- Beijing, Australia, Japan, England -- bringing more needed attention to our 'consumist' society's global desertification, incineration -- as our mother screams ...

The webcast of Live Earth is going off beautifully.
You can click around the world and see and hear some phenomenal music (Pussycat Dolls!!??). This is a breakthrough event, both in concept and execution. I hope it has the desired results

Re: Fire The Grid -- GCP/EGG Update 07/07/07

http://www.firethegrid.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzrPCGP60As

--- In Seven-Seven, Roger wrote:

Shelley Yates, the driver behind the Fire the Grid event, is very persuasive. Whether we believe the fine details of her account, or her interpretations of her experience, her argument is powerful. We can remake the world, and create something fine. I am not sure she says it this way, but to me it is clear that there are so many of us who want a healthier, more compassionate world that we have the power to accomplish that. In the PEAR lab we had a tiny poster on the wall that said, "If we all work together we can subvert the system." True then, true now, always true. Be well, everyone, Roger

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/updates.html#update070706

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Sorry for not distinguishing better. There are causes and then there are causes. Everybody's input is valuable and needed. For me, I have need to understand root causes which of course is itself debatable. That is why an open forum like this is vauable; gets the cards on the table and we can make our choices.

Hey Dennis! Is that your campaign headquarters for sale at Ojai Imports?

I tried to catch some of the music around the world yesterday but couldn't find what network(s) were carrying the coverage. Frustrated, I just went about my day, and picked up sound bytes from cable news. Rebroadcasts will probably be easier to catch.
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Thanks Dennis for understanding my point. I believe all who post here are thinking of the root causes with various levels of complicated comprehension. What I mean is that all of us come to "the table" with different levels/amounts of awareness and experience, but we are here for we all are concerned.

It was live on the web all day.
Later in the day NBC and it's various affiliates (CNBC, Bravo) showed clips.
You can see all of it on the web now at
http://liveearth.msn.com/le/video

If you are a fan of rock music, pop rock music, pop alternative rock music, pop international music and/or pop alternative international music, I think you will find much to enjoy.

The 30 second web commercials are of course annoying.

Microsoft (MSN) has done this right.

I did assume that it would be on the web, but we have allot of others here who want time on the computer, so it wasn't practical for me to hog it.

I appreciate the link and will be using it. As for the clips, I did catch a few on various cable outlets.
Again thanks very much.