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Do You Believe in Magic?

 As the new millennium slips into the future like a stealth bomber, seeds planted by the hippie generation are growing.

The quotes below are from Annie Gottlieb's book, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation.

It's interesting to note the parallels between the hippies and the 9/11 truthers.

We know how their crisis ended. How will ours?

Jock Doubleday
Director
Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc.
director@spontaneouscreation.org
http://www.SpontaneousCreation.org

"If there is one theme that runs like a red thread through the fabric of our generation, it is an obsession with truth: finding the truth, telling the truth, not lying to oneself or others, honesty, authenticity, integrity." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) pp. 27-28)


"We were young. We had, as yet, no great stake in the System whose apparent heirs we were. And we felt vaguely oppressed by it in many ways: the social and academic competition in high school, the anonymity of the great universities, the sense of hypocrisy and of sensual and spiritual poverty that had already sent some of us on a search with an unknown goal." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 32)


"Only action could cleanse you." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 32)


"President Kennedy had created the Peace Corps as another outlet for our idealism. "The whole idea of that was that you can make a difference," says a woman born in 1945. "I was sixteen years old and I believed it. I really believed that I was going to be able to change the world." With an image of youthful activism at the helm, America was successfully socializing its white young.
"We could not then have conceived of the Peace Corps as an arm of Yankee imperialism, any more than we could have dreamed that one or both of the Kennedy brothers were screwing Marilyn Monroe. We believed. "It was a feeling of being at the apogee of history," Marc Barasch remembers. "A godlike state, the Greco-Roman ideal flowering in some weird way. We had no sense of entropy. We were going to live forever." And so was our handsome young president, with his hero's backache, his two cute kids, his hair blowing in the breeze." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 34)


"November 22, 1963
"That day, and the days that followed, television became our tribal bard, weaving an unforgettable visual ballad out of live coverage, news photos, the frames of Abraham Zapruder's home movie. The smiling, waving motorcade. JFK's elbows flying up as his hands clutch at his throat. Jackie crawling over the trunk of the car, reaching out for help in her blood-spattered pink suit and pillbox hat. Lyndon Johnson's stunned swearing-in. And then the drum taps, the riderless horse, "Hail to the Chief" played as a dirge. (I had never heard the song before, and I will forever hear it as a dirge.)
"These were the images that finally fused us into one, even as they shattered our childhood innocence. We had watched events en masse before, but now for the first time we became conscious of our unity--and our vulnerability. After that day, as the world came apart, we began to come together, reaching out for the physical comfort and power of our numbers. In November 1963, we watched history together. By August 1968, we were making it together in the streets, while the whole world watched us." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 34)


""The first intimation I had that something peculiar was going to happen was in the fall of '63, my senior year at Cornell," says New York artist Stan Kaplan (1944). "The Beatles' music had just become popular. Maybe a half dozen guys started to come to Cornell with 'long' hair, the early Beatle length. The girls like these guys very much. I remember going to parties and listening to this new music. I would get drunk and listen and think: The world is going to end. This is the end of the world. Which was a presage of what, metaphorically, really was going to happen. A world was ending."" (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 39)


"Something is happening. Something peculiar. What the fuck is this? The end of the world. And the beginning of something new. This was the current of feeling that ran and swelled under the distressing events of the Sixties. It was a sense that something primitive was forcing its way up from beneath, something destructive and creative that would not stop short of total transformation. In part it was the accumulated rage of blacks, racing through American streets in the form of fire. But it was more. It was the relentless removal of controls until, finally, all that the old America had repressed would erupt into the open--violence and chaos, femaleness and instinct, the irrational, the ecstatic, the sexual, the mystical. And the focal point of the eruption, the epicenter, would be us, the young. In the mid-Sixties, we felt the preliminary tremors; our stereos were our seismographs." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 39-40)


"[Marc Barasch:] 'The Summer of Love. . . . I was . . . just one of thousands who made 1967 the year that the cultural revolution reached critical mass. The Haight had been acid-soaked for three years, and Leary and Ginsberg had been proselytizing for LSD on campuses, but it was only after the Human Be-In in Golden Gate Park in January 1967 that the zeal of the media and the pilgrimages of would-be hippies spread the psychedelic movement and its sacrament throughout the land. A study conducted by Richard H. Blum in the school year 1966-67 showed that 21 percent of the students on one representative campus had smoked marijuana; 6 percent had tried LSD. In 1967-68, the year the second wave began to enter college, the figures had more than doubled: 57 percent had smoked pot, 17 percent had dropped acid.
In 1967-68 political activism also took a quantum leap. In March 1966, twenty-two thousand people had marched down Fifth Avenue in New York City to protest the war in Vietnam. One year later, on April 15, 1967, ten times as many--over a quarter of a million--massed in Central Park to march to the United Nations. Draft-card burnings and turn-ins and campus demonstrations against recruiters from Dow troubled the spring of 1967. That summer, Newark and Detroit went up in flames.' . . ." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) pp. 45-46)


"[Bob Waldman:] "Radicalism was in the air--radical behavior, radical possibilities. It was very intellectual and very political. And very violent.
"I remember one moment as almost an axis point in my life. We were occupying some building, up all night. There had been three or four years of speeches and marches and sit-ins, but nothing had really been done. What's next? Nobody knew. And then five or six crazies walked out and said, 'We're going to take over the president's office.' And a few of us followed.
"There was a cop there . . . and we shoved this great big black cop aside. And broke the glass on that door. And for me, the sound of that glass breaking was the sound of history breaking. It was the sound of everything being let loose.'"
(Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 46)


"Even Martin Luther King, in an April 1967 speech, had assailed "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today--my own government." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 64)


"We hit the road barefoot, in hiking boots, in rubber sandals or Earth Shoes; with flutes and guitars strapped to our packs; in long purple velvet dresses and blue jeans with frayed-out knees. . . .
"While we made our share of true pilgrimages--seeking some swami, shaman, or sacred place--the quintessential Sixties journey was a search without a goal, what poet Roa Lynn (1937) has called an "open odyssey." America has always been synonymous with motion, but we moved as if moving itself was living, while Americans before us moved in search of a living. "The prairie schooners, the underground railway, the Okie exodus to California, the black migration to the urban North--all had been quests for a better life, measured in liberty, land, and opportunity. We were the heirs of that "better life": a world at last made safe, sanitary, stable, respectable, comfortable, gleaming with "conveniences." It was all that our ancestors had sweated for. And all we wanted was out. We burst out as if a deeper ancestral momentum couldn't be dammed up, as if we knew that the task of discovering "the New World" was only half finished, and would not be done until it embraced the whole earth.
"That urge for wholeness would drive us to discover and embrace everything our own culture had put down or ruled out. The children of security, we hankered for risk. Children of the "nice," the reasonable and rational, we wanted vision, passion, pain. Children of technology, we longed to get our hands in the dirt. Children of Lysol, Listerine, and Wonder Bread, we were starved for texture, taste, and smell. It was all "out there," outside these sterile space colonies, the suburbs; on the road, on the land, among people who had nothing much but life itself. They weren't far away." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) pp. 83-84)


"From 1967 to 1973, the number of passports issued annually to students nearly doubled, from 292,000 to 559,000; in the summer of 1971, over 800,000 young Americans traveled to Europe. For many, the events of 1968 were final grounds for separation from America, the state and the state of mind. . . .
Whether the reasons were political or personal, most Sixties departures were precipitated by a sudden, overwhelming urge to get out. Like butterflies that must leave the chrysalis or die, we had to struggle free of the tight forms of the old society--school, marriage, family, job--and put protective distance between ourselves and those still-commanding guilts. "Out there" you could breathe, search, grow. "I got up in the middle of an economics class," recalls Duke Bakewell, "and I walked out and got on a plane and went to the Outer Hebrides. And I never looked back." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) pp. 87-88)


"We weren't fleeing a home, we were seeking one. We were homesick for the earth, and for a way of life rooted in the earth. Hitchhiking across America, especially the vast spaces of the West, revealed that we didn't really belong on this continent yet, any more than we did in Morocco or Nepal. All the people we'd visited, even Europeans--even Mississippi blacks and their northern urban grandchildren--had roots in a place and a rich culture. They belonged. Only we seemed disembodied, ghosts in the machine that was relentlessly "developing" the earth." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 101)


"'We've got to get ourselves back to the Garden,' Joni Mitchell sang. It was one of the most passionate and important dreams of our generation, even if most early forays ended, like Woodstock, in the mud. . . ." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 104)


"It never occurred to us, in the great days of the Movement, that the real meaning of the word "radical" might be: someone with roots." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 123)


"Apocalypse Now!
"From 1968 to 1971, that impulse--to social justice, personal risk, and blinding transformation--was in full flood. "I wanted apocalypse, Utopia," underground veteran Jane Alpert (1947) recently told an interviewer. So did we all, and we wanted it now. That apocalyptic impatience was the most striking characteristic of the Sixties. Sociologists traced it to the tantrums of spoiled children, or a TV-bred taste for instant gratification. Beleaguered college administrators blamed it on "outside agitators." But it was too strange and strong to be explained away so easily. It was the impatience of prophecy. We had SEEN, and the vision we'd had--of the terrible destructiveness of the present world order--made it unbearable that the status quo continue to exist for another minute.
"'Revolution' was, at first, a metaphor. We longed to see a world transformed. Being young and American, with little sense of history, we knew nothing about the processes by which that might take place. All we had was that acute sense of emergency. 'Revolution' came closest to expressing the totality and urgency of the needed change." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) pp. 125-126)


"[Wynston Jones:] Several friends of mine were totally apolitical, completely innocent bystanders, and the Tac Squad like a grim reaper just mowed them down. Beat them senseless. . . . . They became quite political after that. . . . There was a day we all called Bloody Tuesday. I saw unconscious bodies being hauled off with white sheets over them so that the press couldn't take pictures of how bloody they were, but the blood was staining through the white sheets and the press got the pictures anyway." Not only the Tac Squad, but the Oakland and Berkeley police, the California Highway Patrol, the National Guard, and the Alameda County Sheriff's deputies converged on the People's Park demonstration. "They shot people over in Berkeley." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) pp. 133-134)


""I went through a whole summer when I didn't speak," says visionary architect Donna Goodman. "It was 1972, right after finishing Smith. I'd been in jail Graduation Day, for a protest against an air force base for sending planes to Cambodia. I wanted to do something constructive and positive. I didn't want to go on living as a kind of outlaw and protester. But I had no idea what to do with my life now that the Sixties were over." You could say that we all went underground in the Seventies--and it was hard to tell burial from planting." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 139)


"In 1971 there was a big demonstration in Washington on Mayday," says Marc Sarkady. "There were about fifteen thousand people there, and almost everybody was arrested and put into this big stadium." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 139)


"The sense of defeat that settled over Sixties veterans after Reagan's reelection was almost melodramatic. There was a general mood of "It's over. We've lost." Old radicals and hippies withdrew into an "ark mentality," waiting for apocalypse or fascism to fulfill their direst prophecies. Moderates felt justified in withdrawing into self-interest."
(Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 149)


Marc Sarkady thinks we may be metamorphosing into "the We Generation." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 160)


"For all its mind-enhancing properties, marijuana isn't an empowering drug. It taught us to "go with the flow" and enjoy the process--fuck the result. At best, it could be described as passive-subversive. LSD was another story." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 173)


"If the late Sixties were a time of vision and hope, the Eighties so far have been a time of addiction, which is despair. Writing in the August 1985 Vogue, Jane O'Reilly put her finger on the connection between cocaine and conspicuous consumption. "'I want, I want, I want' is the mantra of the 'eighties," she wrote. "Spending frenzy is part of the short-circuited sensibility of the cocaine age. . . . Even earning money is addictive. . . . The one sure thing is that none of these fixes satisfies our undefined longings. Whatever it is we want, we cannot name it, and we cannot buy it." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) pp. 189-190)


"It was real religious or mystical experience we were after, undiminished by Sunday-school platitudes, deeper than the ethical Judaeo-Christian platform of shalts and shalt nots. Ironically, what we sought was far more like what Jesus offered his disciples than what most Christian ministers dispensed in his name. Transfiguration. Re-ligio (reconnection to the cosmos). Life everlasting. There is an apocryphal story that during his lost twelve years, Jesus went as far east as India to escape the limits of his own tradition. And so did we." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 196)


"There is a world-hating, life-negating strain in the Hindu-Buddhist tradition--the doctrine that life is "illusion" and "suffering"--just as there is in the Judaeo-Christian tradition. The West has taken this as an injunction to dominate the world, the East to withdraw from it, but today the endpoint of both is the same: the abandonment and destruction of the planet. Psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton, author of Hiroshima and advocate of "the embodied self," has noted that in "nuclearism," "bodies and persons are absent." He could almost have been describing the far reaches of meditation mania. It's from this quality of abstraction that so many of us have retreated. We know we need a religion of life. . . . Our "religion" is life-positive, eclectic . . . decentralized, anti-authoritarian, compassionate, individualistic, communitarian, and passionately attached to this earth." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 206)


"To make our earthly priorities clear, we don't call the quality we all have in common "spirit" or "soul" or "consciousness." We call it "life." That has the added advantage of broadening it beyond the human. Meditators and acid trippers felt, as St. Francis did, kinship with animals and trees and the ocean, as well as other people. Meditation, the discovery of universal subjectivity, transformed both social justice and ecology from ideologies into empathies--and fused them into one. The basis of our "religion" is the oneness of human beings with each other and with all life." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 211)


"Almost half a millennium ago, Martin Luther made a revolution against the Catholic Church, insisting that the individual soul could contact Christ without "help" from a hierarchy of middlemen (who got rich in the process). An even more sweeping revolution is now going on against all forms of centralized spiritual authority. Most of our generation seems to believe that, while large blasts of "divine revelation" have come through scriptures and masters, little glimpses of revelation and guidance are available to everyone every day. The "authority" that gives us these glimpses is called intuition.
"In one form or another, intuition is the antidote to fascism in a chaotic, changing world where the real Satanic temptation may be the comfort of absolute authority." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 215)


"WOMAN AND NATURE
"The theological center of our "religion," and the real revolution, is the restoration to equality or supremacy of the female principle: the divine creativity of the earth. In politics, the feminist movement and the environmental movement have been separate. In spirituality, they are increasingly understood to be inseparable.
"For many of us who didn't much care for "God," nature was the refuge of religious feeling from childhood on. Feelings first experienced as a child in the woods were rekindled in the Sixties when, somewhere in our brains, LSD met Silent Spring and ecological consciousness was born. Ecology, earth passion, is our real "religion," shared even by those who don't think it's a spiritual concern. But many of us knew before 1970 that visiting the vast Southwest--"the spiritual center of our continent," according to Hopi traditional leaders--was a pilgrimage to our Mecca." And astronaut Edgar Mitchell told us that seeing the earth from space was a religious revelation.
"It now seems like a short step to seeing that blue mandala as the living goddess suggested by scientist James Lovelock's "Gaia Hypothesis." But that step probably wouldn't have been made without the work of feminist "thealogians" like Mary Daly (Gyn/Ecology) and Susan Griffin (Woman and Nature), who saw the intimate connections among the oppression of women, the exploitation of nature, and the rule of a transcendent father God." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 222)


"Our generational "religion" of ecology finds its purest expression in the "deep ecology" movement and its purist political activism in the non-violent confrontations of Greenpeace, the animal-rights movement, and Earth First! But just as environmental concerns are now a congressional priority, ecology has also burrowed its way into traditional religion, especially Christianity. In Catholicism it is called "Creation-Centered Spirituality" and led by author Matthew Fox, who has been inspired by the life-affirming vision of such medieval women mystics as Julian of Norwich. In evangelical Protestantism, it is called "the Christian stewardship movement."
"It's a redefining of the Book of Genesis, and it's very profound," says Jeremy Rifkin, a Jew whose 1980 book The Emerging Order was chosen as one of the ten best books on the evangelical movement. "They're saying that God's big instruction, his mandate, his covenant about dominion--we got it wrong! Dominion did not mean subdue nature, it means stewardship. God created this whole thing and called it good, so any time we despoil it . . . we are in rebellion to our covenant. Our job is to take care of it."" (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 224)


"This 'religion' has its politics, too--a tough, tribal resistance and friendly anarchism. "Basically, we come from a long history of people who fought the Romans," says Otter. "We never thought of Rome as our government, whether it's in Washington, D.C., whether they call him Caesar or President. This is not our government. Our government is the tribal council, and it always has been and always will be. As far as we're concerned, if you can't get everybody right there in the same place to talk about what you've got to talk about, forget it." (Annie Gottlieb, Do You Believe in Magic? The Second Coming of the Sixties Generation (1987) p. 227)

Comments (9)

truly Jock,

in the 1960s we did not have the language of -- or the vision of, or the participation in -- a GLOBAL diversi-culture, balance of yin and yang, wisdom of the world's aboriginal people, guidance of the planetwide elders, grandmothers, ancestors. the feelings and knowledge and actions and reactions were largely domestic and provincial, or perhaps dual or tri-cultural ... certainly not rainbow visions of our thousands of cultures and spiritual traditions nurtured by Mother Earth.

now -- with this emotional, spiritual, experiential base -- buoyed by the internet and the global activist/spiritual movements/awakenings -- we can see the thousands of aspects of love, aka respect caring mentoring, not to be limited to mere sexually, or ubiquitous abuse and domination, true perversity.

and the knowledge and challenges presented today -- of a global royalist/banking infrastructure of patriarches -- the orchestrators of collapsing Russian Czars and New York Towers -- the pinkslip and debt and indenture-paper holders on all governments, all corporations, and institutions, all individuals --

these frightening, secret, hidden, private, inhuman, bestial, colossal truths meet and greet us as well as the positive and sacred.

viz. the news last week -- of the Global Bilderbergers and the magnitude of their role in the 911 Stock Market Collapse, and their current meeting in preparation to manage this weeks meetings of the EU/Asia and G8 Summits to steer the course of the whole political, financial and news world for the next year.

from the web:

"was the Bilderberg group the sole organization responsible for the $50 Trillion Stockplay known as 9/11? [channeled through the BIS, Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, J.P. Morgan/Chase, Citigroup, the U.S. Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve Board, and the New York Federal Reserve Bank?]

"or were they simply the fronts/brokers for the real powers behind the takeover?

http://www.google.com/search?q=Bilderberg
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Bilderberg

"where DOES the money trail lead? whose accounts did the $50 Trillion dollars of stocks and bonds go to? who ARE the Trillionaires? how much did the thirteen royal families receive? the seven families of Japan? the bank-rollers of Wall Street, London, Geneva, Zurich, Tel-Aviv?

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according to Daniel Estulin, in Istanbul with the Bilderberg Summit, the Bilderbergers just yesterday finalized their decisions and gave the marching orders to the governments of the US, Europe, the UK, Japan and most of the world -- re: what the World Bank and IMF will do to the world this year, and where the US Armed Forces will be sent. Where the oil and gas and strategic minerals -- and all other wealth -- will flow ... and who will receive the profits and capital gains.

here is a (sensationalist, unfocused) TV spot from Holland on the control of the Bilderbergers by UK/EU Royalty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcjk0_wj7Do

clearly we have a LOT more forgiving to do, of ourselves and our families and communities -- if we are ever to get on with forgiving the Royalty and the Bankers and other patriarches of the whole planet -- and get on with the work of bringing the dialog out of the Global Security sector and into the public sector -- and thus the decisionmaking too. That the World-Wide COLLABORATIONS, of learning and celebrating, and hard-work (reforesting, ocean-cleansing, atmosphere-purifying, economy greening) can go ahead ten-fold or a hundred-fold.

now that is a 'Bull' economy without precedence!

true love, for the first time, respecting and honoring all our sacred relations ...

Millennium Twain

Hi. This is Dennis. I just finished my walk on Shelf Road and was thinking about this thread. The stealth bomber heads it with the question: do you believe in magic? Interesting contrast: the age of weapons technology vs. the age when people really believed in magic. It's magic up on Shelf, at least as much of a magicland as I can conveniently get to, and get exercise to boot. Indian maidens still walk there in a parallel universe. The sun, wind in the pines, clouds, green valley below, a dozen hawks playing overhead, a large lizard scurrying for cover, a rattlesnake warning me with his loud shaker, orange trees and the feel of my body. Ah, the magic of the natural world. I thought of the stargazers I read about yesterday on another thread, and the calendar builders, especially for the collecting of taxes. I wonder if we haven't got it exactly backwards: all those priests admired for charting the heavens while the real magic was happening with the womem and children; the patriarchs with their heavenly visions is perhaps the illusion and misses the whole point of existence. The stealth bomber is a vision of power and money contrasted with the 60's idealism. An image that sticks in my mind is of the hippie putting a flower into the barrel of a policeman's gun. Flower children and power children. The ideal, utopian world vs. the real, money world. Again, I think we have it exactly backwards which must make the Mona Lisa Godus smile. I live in both worlds. I watched the links about the Bilderbergs; I have a hunch they are just a social front; a red herring to distract from the real power brokers and to make conspiracy theorists look bad. Maybe? If so, they still are a potent symbol of the ruling elite. 911 is mentioned above, linking hippies with 911 truthers. What's the connection? One thing is both are marginalized by the system. Sort of like myself, I guess. Truth is not found on the main road, the broad way that leads to destruction. I see a glimpse of it up on Shelf Road. Noticed in the OVN this morning a response from the person who built the fence along Pratt Trail. There always is another side to consider. Private property always has to be defended; sometimes it takes a stealth bomber and sometimes a fence will do. There are those rabble hippies out there who don't respect proper borders, and that produces anger and those gun barrels. Love is the answer of course but without justice on earth, where can it go except to the stars. Money is the kicker; not just money but funny money, the kind that is just printed and given to the right people. The money system is corrupt right down to the root, and we're all caught in its net. Ever try to pay your bills with an unauthorized currency? Like love? I'm quite clear about the fraudulent Federal Reserve System and their cousin banks but MT's assertion that the Constitution itself is fraudulent escapes me for the most part. It isn't perfect; for example, it does not reserve for the people the right to print and issue their own money, thanks to the bankers; but isn't it an improvement in the process of evolution? As for the 4th of July, I am leaning toward boycotting it. The freedom fighters today are hardly US; the truth is more like the freedom fighters now are fighting US. The US populace is so mislead and brainwashed. Do I believe in magic? Yes, but I have to qualify that. There is black magic and there is plenty of it afoot. My magic is love and I try to be in love all the time; then I feel protected, and can relax and enjoy my walks. I sure don't see the magic in big houses and big cars. If I was mayor (link to another thread) I would make a motion to limit houses to 1000 square feet, and cars to 1000 cc engines. I guess the McMansions would get a grandfather clause. I feel sad when I see the link between Ojai's big cars and houses and the 2-4 million Iraqis who are without their homes and are walking, and remembering the 600,000 dead, thanks to US love for freedom and US private property oil rights in Iraq. It's sad that we can't connect the dots between the Iraqi plight and our plush lifesyle. The money scam makes it possible and every time we use a bank we're involved. That's an inconvenient truth that even Gore won't touch because it would really gore him. In the sadness there is joy because I touch truth and I feel free. I guess that I'm getting close to truth when people try to shut me up, either subtly or overtly. As long as the freedom of the net lasts, I might as well use it. It's a great self education tool. There's something about putting my thoughts out into the public domain that is freeing, even if no one reads them, and especially if no one reads them, because then I am doing it for myself which is freeing. I missed the whole hippie thing. I was deep in the bowels of Roman Catholic monasticism from which I am still recovering. Looking back, I doubt if I would have been any freer if I had been in the hippie movement, doing drugs and free sex, getting my mind blown ala Uncle Timothy and living on a farm growing veggies. In the late 70's I did the sex scene and was lucky to escape with my health intact. I feel freer and more in love now at 67 because I'm walking the path of truth and speaking out about it. Not that I'm perfect by any means but I can see where I've been and what means have gotten me to where I am now. I'm glad I am not sitting in a stealth bomber. I'm glad I didn't invest in oil stocks in the 60's or 70's. I'd be a millionaire now but the price of my soul would have been too much. I invested in education of which very little was obtained in authorized schools. Most of my learning has been in what not to do. The via negativa. A really liberal (free) education is so great. The truth really does set me free, like those hawks I say on Shelf today. I'd rather be a hawk than a stealth bomber. Nature is so precious. Ojai looks so beautiful from up above; however, I can feel creeping materialism like the plague seeping in. Today, bigger and bigger houses and condos; and big cars and trucks to drive down to Ventura and Oxnard to shop at the big boxes and drug the mind and spirit at the modern circus cineplexes. Will our hillsides look like Santa Barbara in 20 years? One thing will save us, if it does, and that will be an economic meltdown. The US as a third world country will not be that bad if we can avoid the stealth bombers; we can walk or ride bicyles, if we can get the bicycles, that is. Hey, Mr. Moneyman, let me have my bowl of brown rice and few vegetables and I'll be happy. Just don't make me pledge allegience to the Patriot Act or make me march in the 4th of July parade. I'll remember the real US and the real Ojai. I'll remember Ojai as she looked from Shelf Road in the summer of 07. See, I do believe in magic and miracles.


Dennis, your opening sentence was so promising, I started to read your Post. "It's magic up on Shelf, at least as much of a magicland as I can conveniently get to, and get exercise to boot. Indian maidens still walk there in a parallel universe. The sun, wind in the pines, clouds, green valley below, a dozen hawks playing overhead, a large lizard scurrying for cover, a rattlesnake warning me with his loud shaker, orange trees and the feel of my body..."
But soon after that, my eyes crossed and I gave up. Once in in awhile, I will check to see if you care enough about your readers to create paragraph and edit out things you've said before. If not, I will move on!

This website is way too boring to read. You all suck. It used to be cool to just read about Dennis Leary crying about some crap that no one gives a damn about... but you have made this ojai post really really boring by putting wasteful, multiple page posts that no one should waste their time reading. Really really boring. Please cut it down a little. Maybe you could not just copy a book word-for-word and post that. Maybe instead of writing just to see words that you type, you should stop and think about the purpose... to entertain me. You failed.

well, William has ended the boring aspect of this thread (without even the use of four-letter words!

[but, of course, it is the Democrats as much or more then Bush and the Republicans which are the warmongers and 'terrorist' alarmists -- both Houses of Congress supporting the Bush Banker Media War AGAINST THE U.S. POPULATION since day one. It is the U.S. citizenry who are the slaves and victims of their Corporate Gangster Machine.]

Millennium

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and, Dennis, kia ora!

appreciate your commitment to the dialog, learning, growing.

some would say I am VERY fortunate to have been able to spend the decades in university, and then a decade on the infinite university of the internet, to be learning and unlearning and relearning -- building and polishing the truth.

others would be equally accurate to say I have been very unfortunate to have missed out on equal decades of global cultural experiences.

as it is, the foundations and justifications for the servitude of the 'American' people -- their thralldom under government, constitution, common law, church and merchant banking history -- is something I have had chance to study and be tutored on for these four decades of my adolescent and adult life.

the study of ethics -- and the life of the free people (those of the Security State) compare the life of their indentured slaves, the public.

thus, the US Constitution. there is NO discussion of ethics or morality at all in the document -- which is of course the ONLY thing the document would or could be discussing if it was an actual Constitution, a guide to empower and protect the people, the land, the children, the planet.

so if you want to read the US Constitution again -- and survey the internet on the subject of Common Law, the Judiciary, the Church, lobbying, banking, and debt and other obligations of the US government (hence its' serf population) -- you will find that the ENTIRETY of the US Constitution and US laws and US history is one of the legal and ethical (by historical and contemporary agreement of all rulers AND ruled) commitment and obligation to pay endlessly expanding interest on debts of money and land (like Washington DC) -- to obey the dictates of the Church and Guilds and Bankers and Royalty that OWN the debt and the land, and hold the power of the Judiciary and Security State, to make any laws they request, and to enroll their slave populations in fighting their wars and paying those debts and acting out their laws.

particularly, you will note that some 90 percent or so of the US Constitution is dedicated to affirming the powers of the government to make war and program and imprison serfs and eradicate the planet -- while only a fractional reminder is left to encourage the slave population to enroll in the 'voting' and other frauds, so that they can feel good about being ignorant cradle-to-grave workhouse grunts and cannon-fodder.

and, I think you will agree, they DO feel good about it!

they rant and rave about it, every day in every way.

(they are unable, by public education and media indoctrination, and emotional programming -- viz the music industry --)

unable to think or do ANYTHING else ...

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google keyword search "Common Law" Constitution debts ...

MT - I deleted the comment before yours - it was spam, and an atrocious implementation of the English language to boot. Hope you are enjoying a beautiful Friday.

blessed day, Tyler, Goddess Moon, all!

Thanks, Mt, for the discussion. The Constitution is one of those sacred cows I have trouble deconstructing. Later, I will google the above, hopefully another step in getting past the smoke and mirrors. Looks like this thread is about to slip off the front page but hopefully more interesting threads will appear. I agree with Anonymous above that much is boring and entertainment should not be neglected. I'll see what I can do to keep the pot stirred up and perhaps boiling. Truth is so much fun. Got to learn how to push those buttons without going over the deep end. Love you all.

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