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That's great, Suza - it resonates as vibrantly today as it did eight years ago, if not stronger, I am sure.

i love how you keep digging up articles and topics from the past that have such relevance today! there's something to be said for new content, but your messages are critical reminders, and bear repeating for sure.

thank you, Suza!

the above is the ultimate co-intel, counter-intelligence,
of the aristocracy.

the 'buncombe' put out by all the 'Buddhas' and Emperors
and Powercrats of all time.

that rule comes from divine right ... thus was justified
the last several thousand years of the patriarchy/military/
corporate state.

their are NO rulers, governors, needed or wanted, in a social
system with spiritual values. and no truly enlightened 'guru'
would pose as a governor/fraud.

no need to promote more fraud of democracy and 'representative'
government, where the reality is that the banks and lawyers and
aristocrats
(by law above-the-law) own and run everything ... and the
population simply being their serfs and soldiers, enslaved in
the above and similar propaganda.

the matrix, for all our relations?

no not at all, simply for all the aristocracy ...

Suza for Mayor!

Or how about Suza for entire City Council?

Suza, you were ahead of your time, a pioneer. As an elder woman of our community your voice is important and your leadership invaluable.

My favorite key principle is "Creating a synthesis out of adversarial positions". For from this, I think, the others can be found on the way to enlightened discourse.

Dear Suza,
Wonderful comments. Thank you for digging into the past a bit. I have often struggled with finding the connections between my spiritual practice and my political action. As a student of Thich Nhah Hanh, we often reflect on engaged Buddhism and what it means to be socially/politically engaged. A number of our Mindfulness Trainings (precepts) speak to the topic and mirror much of what you have written above.

For those interested, I found a couple of articles online about these connections.

Return to the (Political) World

Who does God vote for?

I might be a little unclear here, but I can't help but wonder, what about the separation of church and state? Or is religion and politics different than spirituality and politics? P.S. I love Suza's writing.

the Corporate State IS the Church ...

'our' lawyers and our owners ..

a fraud established at the last Millennium -- named the Magna Carta -- wherein the Kings (and Queens) of England took the power of the Court and the power of the Pound (dollar), of universal tax-servitude to the aristos --

and thereby created the inheritance (hereditary caste system) of the next thousand years of government of the whole English-speaking world.

with the 'hands-down' victory of the 1940s -- of the military-aerospace-
factory-system -- the Aristocrats worldwide-reaching nuke-carrying airfleet born --

the whole of Africa, Asia, Polynesia -- All Earth -- came under the dominion of the JudeoChristian culture centered at London, DC, Wallstreet, Switzerland and the Global Exchanges.

in the case of North America, all ownership rights (of people and land and industry) were preserved for the 'nobility' -- the monetary system given to a private family, the Federal Reserve -- and even to this day the District of Columbia is not owned by by the people or the government, it is owned by private Europeans (again, the Swiss if I recall correctly.)

by law, the whole of that 'American' government and court system was set up to create further laws and policies of their chosing, for directing military machine where-ever in the world they desired it, to tax and control the population to their fancy, and to collect taxes without ending to pay off the debts to the Ruling Class of a world of which they own the whole some total, down to every child, and every thought, word and body part ...

mortgaged!

~~~ ~~ ~

aristocracy ...

Part of Speech: noun
Definition: privileged
Synonyms: elite, gentility, gentry, government, haute monde,
high society, nobility, noblesse, patricians, patriciate, peerage,
society, upper class, upper crust*
Antonyms: commoners, people, plebeians, rabble, riffraff

How nice to wake up this morning and find all your messages! Kenley's links to the Shambala Sun articles are so good!

To answer Lisa's question, spiritual politics recognizes what our founding fathers rightly understood, that we must avoid the dogma and dominance of a state religion. As the Dalai Lama write, "In our present state of affairs, the very survival of mankind depends on people developing concern for the whole of humanity, not just their own community or nation." Spiritual politics recognizes the whole mind-body-spirit connection and how to apply this awareness to all the urgent local and global problems we find ourselves in. Spiritual politics helps us to see that EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED!

How nice to wake up this morning and find Suza unedited. Have to be brief. Got to catch a bus. See ya later.

It seems everything old is new again. This is wonderful Suza, thank you for sharing. It seems very intuitive to pursue a government that has a wider awareness and broader goals that benefit everyone. It is unfortunate that fear-driven and polarizing government is more prevalent, which marginalizes those out of power instead of empowering everyone. The irony is that no one wins in these governments, including those who perceive themselves to be in power. I write this as I and the other original signers of the recall petition await the result of tonight's closed council agenda item regarding another potential lawsuit by the city against an unknown person or persons.

I'd just add this quote from Hunter S. Thompson on the subject of politics:

"Politics is the art of controlling your environment."- HST

Let's hope there are enough people in Ojai that are interested in helping to "control" Ojai's environment--natural, economic and spiritual. I have to tell you, having been working on the ground for the various movements afoot in our lovely town, there's a lot of praise and talk but not a lot of action. I'm getting the distinct impression that maybe Ojai is a town that actually wants a Subway Sandwich and more $900k condos. I see a lot of people writing and I definitely hear a lot of people claiming they support all the efforts, but when it comes time to actually DO something, there's not many willing to do the hard work.

How spiritual is the threat of yet another SLAPP suit from the city against citizens working for a positive change in Ojai?

we will rehash the old, Suza, Todd, to make the new.

and so too, 'Twain' come-again, whose sources could be MUCH better cited:

http://www.crf-usa.org/Foundation_docs/Foundation_lesson_magna.html

Myth and history are intertwined in the England of 800 years ago. We all remember the outlaw, Robin Hood. From his hideout in Sherwood Forest, he and his band of Merry Men preyed on the rich and gave to the poor. Their archenemy was the Sheriff of Nottingham, who took his orders from the sinister Prince John. While Robin Hood never existed, John certainly did. He was the central character in a real life drama that led to a milestone in human liberty: Magna Carta.

Prince John's older brother, Richard, became king of England when their father, Henry II, died in 1189. King Richard I (also called Richard the Lionhearted) spent almost the entire 10 years of his reign away from England. He fought in tournaments, led crusades and waged several wars on the continent of Europe.

Since Richard needed revenue to pay for his adventures, he taxed his subjects heavily. At one point Richard was captured by his enemies and held for ransom (a common practice in feudal Europe). Richard's tax collectors in England had to raise an enormous sum of money to free him. Despite Richard's demands, the people back home in England loved him as a conquering hero.

When Richard died in 1199, John became King. Unlike his brother, John tended to stay at home and run his kingdom on a day to day basis. John, however, continued his brother's harsh tax policy. Because John lacked Richard's heroic image and charisma, his subjects began to hate him for his constant demands for more tax money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

After the Norman conquest of England in 1066 and advances in the 12th century, the English king had by 1199 become the most powerful monarch in Europe. This was due to a number of factors including the sophisticated centralised government created by the procedures of the new Anglo-Saxon systems of governance, and extensive Anglo-Norman land holdings in Normandy. But after King John of England was crowned in the early 13th century, a series of stunning failures on his part led the English barons to revolt and place checks on the king's power.

The most significant clause for King John at the time was clause 61, known as the "security clause", the longest portion of the document. This established a committee of 25 barons who could at any time meet and over-rule the will of the King, through force by seizing his castles and possessions if needed.

King John's actions in France were a major cause of discontent in the realm. At the time of his accession to the throne after Richard's death, there were no set rules to define the line of succession. King John, as Richard's younger brother, was crowned over Richard's nephew, Arthur of Brittany.

static

Todd: For those of us not in "the thick of things" could you explain what you meant by:

"I write this as I and the other original signers of the recall petition await the result of tonight's closed council agenda item regarding another potential lawsuit by the city against an unknown person or persons".

Surely, I must be interpreting this incorrectly. Surely, they wouldn't dare stage a repeat of the Jeff F. fiasco. Would you kindly expain what is going on?

Thanks.

Good point SPK.

Here's one from lao tzu for all you trustafarians out there:

A moving door hinge never rusts and running water never grows stagnant...

I was wondering the same thing. I'll be turning to the Ojai Post to get the scoop on the result of tonight's closed council meeting.

spk asked "How spiritual is the threat of yet another SLAPP suit from the city against citizens working for a positive change in Ojai?" Such actions are the antithesis of spiritual politics!

In response to Anonymous' question, this is all I know. This is from tonight's Council agenda:

CLOSED SESSION

6. Closed Session – Potential Litigation per California Government Code Section 54956.9(c) :
RECOMMENDATION: Confer with City Attorney in closed session regarding potential litigation.

Here's chapter and verse on Government Code 54956.9(c): "Based on existing facts and circumstances, the legislative
body of the local agency has decided to initiate or is deciding
whether to initiate litigation."

Unless the city got the code section wrong, it appears they are going to talk about initiating litigation against someone. Or someones.

There is a different code section to cite for closed session to discuss responding to actual or threatened litigation.

I agree that, given the fact that the ACLU is already involved in the last SLAPP litigation, it seems incomprehensible that another would be under consideration.

Stay tuned. I expect you'll read it first on The Post.

I want to respond to this: "I see a lot of people writing and I definitely hear a lot of people claiming they support all the efforts, but when it comes time to actually DO something, there's not many willing to do the hard work."

Having lived in Ojai for over 50 years, there were many decades that I and many, many others still around today were doing the hard work that others are now doing. I have had to accept that we all have different roles to play at different points in our life cycle. But you are so right, there has always been a shortage of people to do the actual work. All we can do is our best. Some of you may not know that when I was on the city council the monthly stipend was about $69 a month --the same as what it was in the 1960's. When I recommended early in my term that this level of compensation at least keep up with inflation the city manager warned me it would be controversial. For nine months I endured headlines calling me "greedy" while I patiently explained over and over again that this was not a "raise" and not giving reasonable minimum financial compensation effectively limited the type of person who could afford to sit on the council and do the work necessary to be an effective leader--not just show up and approve staff recommendations.
In the future I will write more on this overlooked aspect of why we have who we have on the city council. Ojai is no longer a little hick town where some good'ol boys get together for a beer before the meeting in the local saloon...and then go through the motions of saying "ay"...that's all I have time to say, for now...

I posted the announcement after the council meeting tonight on another site but since the result was asked about here I will repeat what I said there regarding the closed session (who's that for lawyer language?): the dispute between the city and Scott Bauer regarding a tree has been settled. --Dennis Leary

Oops, that should read: "how's" that for lawyer language? It's getting late. Sweet dreams.

don't know if I have meant you Suza ... think I have heard more than a few stories of you ... in my mind's eye I see you as a universal orange light ...

Good morning. Sweet daydreams. The subject of Spiritual Politics introduced here by Suza, a former mayor and spiritual seeker, I assume, joins disparate concepts illustrated by a person like herself who makes the political personal and the personal political. The "spiritual" part of this conjunction of linquistic planets refers to the airy, ghostly, non-material, soul part of ourselves; some would argue eternal and quite beyond labels of space, time and form. The "political" part is the practical, bodily, earthly, governance, nasty, real [?] counterpoint to the theoretical, abstract "spiritual." Whether there is any ultimate difference between the two is debated hotly in some spiritual circles, generally referred to as advaitists/not two-ists/all is one-ists vs. bakti devotionists of love, which is naturally grounded in a relationship of two lovers: the God is Love theology and Godus is a Lover thealogy. My own view of spirituality is to keep "one's" "two" feet on the ground to avoid the pitfalls of the namby-pamby one-ists who distain getting their hands dirty with politics and the pitfall of the nitty-greedy materialist who thinks the green movement refers to the capitalistic system. In other words, keep your balance or you will go off the deep end of the red/blue, conservative/liberal, political/spiritual end of the world. The unbalanced, unnuanced schizo split has set up shop in Ojai ever since the pale faces moved in and replaced a "moon" mind with a "money" mind, to go from the top to the bottom line in an oversimplified fashion. Leave it to the moneyists, of course, to complicate a simple moon's eye view but then the money scam is smoke and mirrors to begin with. Put simply, the marriage of spirit and politics is a deal made in heaven but corrupted here on Mother Earth by the patriarchic triumvirate of money-under, sex-over and violence-all-around. Lefty spiritualists would like to avoid the "heart of darkness" because it brings to the surface their own dark heart; "in the heart of your delusion you look like a demon" according to a reference Kenley linked to above. Righty materialists avoid the heart of darkness for the same reason. In medio stat virtus; in the middle stands true power or virtue. When the middle class does not claim its power out of fear you get the avoidance behavior that Sean is highlighting with people (unkindly called sheeple) who do not direct their political feet to follow their spiritual intentions. God talk is pretty cheap; and it can bring in the big bucks who chase the smaller deer in their spiritual heat of passion. People get burned out on spirit and politics because they can't solve the inherent dilemma, and get burned again and again by shysters who know the game and use it to their advantage. With enough experience and raising consciousness, from my 67 years of hard knocks and soft rocks, I begin to catch on to the spiritual/political game. I'm poorer in money but richer in wisdom. The God game is the biggest one going because God is the big buck where all the little bucks stop. If you can control God, you have the unbeatable trump card. Under that pretense, you get the sheeple in the steeple phenonmena who are unknowingly being sheared by the shepherds down the street at city hall if the governors are fronts for materialist bankers and developers, whether in a Ojai or Washington. Words like that get uncomfortably close to the "heart of darkness" and a blanket of denial descends, the eyes gloss over and peace returns to the sheeple and shepherds when this fringe element thought is banished from consciousness, or in political terms, is taken off the table. On the national level, my favorite exhibit of this is the denial of 911 truth, specifically that it was an inside job. Even liberals, who see the other crimes of the bush leaguers, will not descend to that level of darkness for fear of exposing their own; and conservatives, of course, for the same reason. On the local scene, you see this blanket of denial whenever the subject of banker and developer bias comes up (I'm the only one I know of who brings it up directly at council meetings; Millenium brings the corruption of money on the international scale up in his posts). Like I said, money is the first of the unholy trinity; and it's so pervasive as to be almost invisible; as the antithesis of spirit; there was a reason the bible said money is the root of evil, and the church banned usury until the moneychangers figured out how to beat the system of that time. We are all implicated in the money scam of sucking from the poor and sucking up to the rich, if we have money in a bank, or bonds or stocks or any of that. That is pretty hard to face since we are all guilty to some degree. But there will never be peace until there is justice; and there will never be justice until the money scam is unravelled. Google "Money Masters" for a start on a whole new education you never even heard a whisper of in school. Schools are of course part of the money scam, training as they do, robots to serve the money system. A fellow poster counted up the times I used money in a post; and I was impressed by the advances in technology that can not only count the total number of words but particular words as well. Perhaps I have a money fixation or addiction which would support my contention that society as a whole is addicted to this commodity, with cross links to sex and power; and especially to that godfather of them all, patriarchy which sums up the secular trinity. Dylan said: "to be honest, you have to live outside the law." Never mind that he is a millionaire many times over and recommended not listening to anything said less than one hundred years ago. Millenium made an interesting point above about the hierarchical system; that it can and almost always is abusive. However, I think a careful distinction needs to be made here or we're going to fall off the deep end. Hierarchy is unavoidable in the world as we know it. Even denying hierarchy is to establish a hierarchy of non-hierarchy. For example, the spirit/material or Spiritual/Politics dualism is hierarchic. I hold the view that there is nothing absolutely equal in nature; that notion is a creation of the mind, and even that idea is not equal because one word goes first. I believe consciousness (a primary spiritual aspect of reality) is superior in a hierarchy of values from materiality. Consciousness rules matter and politics; however, it can also abuse its authority as is seen daily in Ojai and Washington. A truly elevated consciousness does not abuse but serves, which ironically places itself at the lower portions of the hierarchy it by right heads. To borrow from the bible: "the first will be last," and from the U.S. Constitution, "We the People," are the top line and money is the bottom line. An elevated, enlightened consciousness can be spotted in only one way; in service to the poorest of the poor. Right now, an example would be those who oppose the Iraqi war on women and children for guess what? You guessed it: Money. The gist of that remark is this: people can walk on their knees to Meditation Mount in the east and Krotona on the west but if they avoid the middle at city hall like the plague, their consciousness, love and spirituality are as phony as a three dollar bill, because they have split off politics from spirituality; it's schizo and it's spiritual (and sometimes physical) death; I know because I did the splits for 65 years or so; trying to be spiritual by avoiding the non-spiritual. It didn't work for me and I doubt it really does for anyone else; although I must herein make the disclaimer that I know I don't know everything, and probably closer to nothing, and that in the grand scheme of things even the schemers are playing a part, and what appears to be a person abusing her physical body by avoiding the politics of the body may be her way of learning a valuable lesson which in the long run benefits her and everybody else, which lends credence to the not-two position; but then the opposite could also be true. I think I have just proved that all words fail. Schizo is schizo and I can speak with some authority because I was, and still am, for most of the my career a psychiatric nurse, with my prior career being a Catholic priest. Spiritual politics is indeed a loaded gun, and we shouldn't play around with guns unless we know what we're doing. Well, I guess by now I should be up around 800 words. Too bad, I was just getting warmed up. So much for money. I can't wait to talk about its cohorts, sex and violence.

Any report out on last night's Closed Session? (8 words)

Hi Lisa - Dennis stayed up late to get the results of the closed meeting. Here's what he said:

"I posted the announcement after the council meeting tonight on another site but since the result was asked about here I will repeat what I said there regarding the closed session (who's that for lawyer language?): the dispute between the city and Scott Bauer regarding a tree has been settled."

there never was, nor never will be, a 'spiritual politics'.

the 'war' is not in Iraq.

if you listen to Suzas words, or to those of Dennis -- or Kenley or Tyler or Evan -- or any of our posters here.

politics is about the mindless masculine -- strictly power and abuse.

it is simply the exercise of coercion, exhorting the masses (of cattle) to follow the cowboys to the troughs and have their fill.

those who are in service, leading the spiritual path, are healers and healed. they do not set an example of consumerism, nor encourage others into that absorption into the "two hundred hells".

we have a globally-instituted LAW of enforced ignorance and gluttony, thus disempowerment -- thousands of ears old -- which could be rewritten in a day -- as feed WE are for the factory of slaughter.

until, for the first time in his/herstory, we practice a global satyagraha -- life of moderation and balance -- we will never awaken to the truly trivial enlightenment of infinite wealth and wonder which is but a few days ahead of us --

sparkling jewels, individual and all.

the end of politics ...

Hi everyone, I am enjoying reading all your comments. A few times I felt a bit confused, not sure why Millennium would say "there never was, nor never will be, a 'spiritual politics'." I do try to grasp the meaning behind your words, but this I did not understand. Is this in response to the original article?

are you sincerely ready, then, Suza for a wholly-loving, global-truth, dialog on what is collective spirituality? the nature of cultivation and enlightenment, as applied to the collective?

aka the Noosphere, Field, Global Consciousness, World HeartMindBody.

as we perceive 'her' here not only in the 'Awha'y Valley, yet also throughout the linked continents of the Americas named Turtle Island, and Planetwide.

if so, I suspect that many many others are also ready to embrace this long-heralded event, accept this inward expansion/evolution of self and species.

I am ready to refine, gentle, expand myself. Are you too?

for all our sacred relations.

Millennium Twain

Millennium: I truly appreciate the energy you put into writing words here on the Ojai Post. However, I'm not sure what you are saying when you write. For example, in reading the most previous post, these questions come to mind.

What you mean by "collective spirituality"?

Who is "her" in the third paragraph? The collective spirituality?

What "event" are you referring to? Do you mean to "refine, gentle, expand myself"? If yes, then this seems to be what any person on a spiritual path is attempting (whether it be Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, etc.).

Please help me understand your language, because it is very difficult to decipher.

In gratitude.

namaste Kenley!

Kenley wrote:

What you mean by "collective spirituality"?

~~ as I said, that of this Valley 'Awha'y, or Turtle Island, or Europe, or Africa, the People of Earth -- any collective.

Who is "her" in the third paragraph? The collective spirituality?

~~ aye, the same subject. she, her, the deity, goddess, spirit we are speaking of.

What "event" are you referring to? Do you mean to "refine, gentle, expand myself"? If yes, then this seems to be what any person on a spiritual path is attempting (whether it be Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, etc.).

~~ yes, the event of cultivation also known as the path of enlightenment, refinement, education, awakening, evolution. in this particular case we are referring to the dialog and decision-making process of the Collective known as the Ojai Valley ... the EVENT being that weekly, daily, hourly, 'minute-ly' experience of self-evolution or growth.

the SPIRIT is WE!

I like your last line "the spirit is we" because it speaks directly to my practice.

"Interbeing" is a word coined by Thich Nhat Hanh, my teacher, to represent the Buddhist principles of impermanence and the not-self characteristic which reveal the inter-connected-ness of all things. (source)

Beautiful.

Millenium, only a good friend will tell you, you need a good hit of Ben&Jerry's.

kia ora, Kenley,

Maori blessings.

Thich Nhat Hanh is one of my teachers too ...

I realize I'm getting into this a little late by blogging timetable standards but I just checked into the Ojai Post after a long absence and I had to respond out of respect for my longtime friend. I always stop to read anything by Suza. But, please, the last time I saw her she didn't have nearly enough white hair to qualify as an elder. In my book, she is a mature woman who has managed to survive the follies of youth and gained valuable insight along the way, insight worthy of our listening.
As for your essay on "spiritual politics," Suza, while I, personally, find all the sentiments expressed to be timelessly inspiring and enlightening, I suggest that, in the interests of achieving your stated principle of searching for the common ground for the good of the whole, that you drop the word "spiritual" from your political vocabulary. It's no longer the useful word it was when our New Age forefathers were discovering God outside the traditional Judaeo-Christian structure and needed a neutral word to describe what they were discovering. Now I see it as a divisive word, separating the "religious" from the "spiritual," rekindling the stereotypes of hippies, New Agers, Beverly Hills shamans and all the other stuff that alienates good old-fashioned church going people who, if they walk their talk, are just as spiritual as the next guy. The word also scares those who fear the merging of church and state or the hijacking of our government by the Christian far-right, the Islamo-fascists or whomever.

It's simply outlived its usefulness. So I challenge you to find a new word for your discourse, along the lines of "transformational" and "green," as you mentioned above. We need to continually sharpen our tools for the work ahead (and occasionally replace them altogether.)

Thank you Lanny, all very good points ( my aveda black malva shampoo must be working)! I agree that "green" might be an easier word for everone to embrace under the current climate (and now I get to say "pun intended")but maybe it's because I'm a yoga teacher surrounded by a fundamental Christian family, I am at ease with the word "spiritual." But, I do see your point and will ponder it some more.

Spiritual. Yes, indeed. Words are a problem, and an opportunity. Has "spirit" and "spiritual" outlived its usefulness? Perhaps. I personally like the word "love." It probably has more problems than spiritual, but it is grounded in an ancient and powerful consciousness. Of course it has been co-opted and debased by modernity but so what? What hasn't been? "Love" can be rescued and defended. Whatever word is chosen for a philosophc/wisdom database, will have problems. It's the nature of the beast. I'll keep building on "love," testing the system and see if it holds water for me.

thus you see why for the last two decades I have moved away from the Western and Masculine (narrowly defined) fora, gatherings. spirit and spirituality there is unknown and feared. ditto cultural respect. as you see in the 'new age' dialogs a preference for Buddhist, Hindu and modern male Native American interpretations of enlightenment or a 'warrior' relationship with divine spirit, nature.

and why I have resonated more strongly with the ancient Chinese, Taoist, Polynesian, Aboriginal, Animist and other balanced or feminine traditions of relationship with ancestors and relations (all life).

dialog on spirit and spirituality, in the Western Empire of Soldier-slaves, brings to the unconscious minds the truth of spirit possession, of which the Christians shout 'demon' or 'devil' possession.

one of the greatest and most freeing spiritual legacies for a Westerner is that of the Chi Gong, Falun Gong, Falun Dafa and similar. similarly the ancient Shinto or pre-Shinto Japanese consciousness of a relationship with all spirits -- Kodama, tree-spirit, being one that would be well received here in Goddess Moon. [read the book "Zhuan Falun" by Master Li Hongzhi to help erase or balance the judeochristian, hindu, buddhist and islamist 'mind possession'!]

viz also Oinari-Sama, fox goddess, Kuma-sama, Great Mother Bear, and Shika-sama, deer ...

'love' ...

it's just a click away,
a click away,
click away ...

http://www.ecopsych.com/makesense.html

Thanks, MT, for the above link on natural systems. I clicked away and was educated. Nature is really sexy. I liked the part about trees and grasses etc. being a neglected class of citizens. I'm going to take a walk in a bit over Shelf Road and look down on Love Incarnate, the beautiful and sexual Ojai Valley Moon Godus in her Day Star Sun form. By the way, MT, I read somewhere that you were having an open house. If so, I would take that opportunity to meet you and your wife and environment. If you are having such an event, and I am invited, please let me know here or personally by emailing at dennis_j_leary@yahoo.com. Thanks again.