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Jock,

You're a saint. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. You have captured in one pure image an immense symbolism. This is awesome. And whoever took the picture is an artist of genius. Do you have more shots? I would love to see the fountain and the post office tower in the background. Maybe other scenes. You're one hell of a hunk too.

This will really separate the sheep from the goats as Jesus said. You either get it or you don't. Imagine, kids who don't know what 911 was. What are they teaching in schools? You can bet it isn't 911 truth. The kids are probably getting predigested patriarchy along with the junk food.

Are you going to do it again? I'd like to be there for the next performance. This is the best show in town. Talk about a medieval mystery play.

Let's cut to the chase. Our own government (possibly with the help of the Israel government) planned and executed 911 as a strategy to further imperialistic policy. You have to be brainwashed not to see that self evident truth.

911 is another Jesus event. That is, it offers salvation from the devil of patriarchy. A few are ready for it but most are not. Right wing christians will be the last ones to see the truth about 911 or Jesus for that matter.

Jesus was not an historical person. Jesus is a made up Greek name which means savior and comes out to 888 with the Greek number and alphabet correlation, an harmonic reference. The Jesus story is a made up salvation fable given an historical context to provide a political power base. Salvation from what? Well, the Roman empire for one thing. It took 300 years but the Jesus story eventually overthrew the Roman state religion. The problem was that the same patriarchy behind Rome and the Church created the stories and retained their power through the stories.

The real Jesus symbol/story is feminine and reaches back to pre-patriarchy. In that sense Jesus was a womam [sic}. You see that with Jesus preaching love, mainly a womam's virtue, references to blood and water (vaginal flow with menstruation and ovulation), rivers of living water, Jesus' love for women and children, his resistance to patriarchic temple money changers, his defiance of the patriarchic Romans, and his special love for John the Beloved. These and many other gems are buried in the godfather rewrite.

Patriarchic Chistianity violently suppressed a womam goddess but if you read between the lines, you can see the womam in Jesus, at the heart of religion and at the core of consciousness. Patriarchy is based on violence, not love, although it claims the opposite. The truth is that salvation comes from a free, natural, earth centered womam consciousness, and that patriarchy will not tolerate. The patriarchs rewrite herstory with a false his-story.

The patriotic, patriarchic idiots are doing the same with 911. They created it, blamed it on terrorists, and are reaping trillions of dollars off the bodies of the poor. They create the problem and then offer salvation for a price. They scare the sheeple and falsely offer to save them with anti-terrorist terrorism. It's a scam, a rip off and the same lie and sin the writers of the Jesus story denounced.

The grand patriarch of them all, the godfather, made his son suffer crucifixtion to save people who didn't need saving in the first place. What kind of a father would do that to his son? A true womam and mother would never do that. It's a made up story, a scam, a con out of a need for power. 911 was too, and by the same godfathers reincarnated.

Thanks, Jock. I've never met you or talked to you so you can put distance between yourself and me, provide disclaimers, etc. The truth hurts. This is just the calm before the perfect storm. Good, I say. Let it come. The disease has to be faced. The truth must out and it's not going to be pleasant. The writers of the Jesus story saved the world from the Roman empire but they did not expose the patriarchs enough, although Jesus called them hypocrites. The 911 truth movement is trying to finish what the Jesus writers started and running into the same fierce denials. The out and out earth and womem haters are bad enough but the so called liberals of the main stream press are the Judases to watch out for.

All is fair in love and war. Love is the force that can stop the war mongers who perpetrated 911. Jesus was a womam in love. She would be the first to embrace the 911 truth movement. The true Jesus and the true 911 are coming. It will be a second coming not to be missed. What a show!

ribbons of greenbacks should be your crown of thorns, Jock -- for the Wall Street, London, Bonn & Geneva bankers who ran the 911 Stock Play!

for the love of our world, Jock, let the truth be told -- without incrimination, without revenge or prosecution -- that we may change the way the global marketplace works --

forgive, that it may never be re-en-acted.

forgive, that the true story may be told, WITHOUT the need for bottom-rung fall guys to be hung.

for the benefit of ALL people, for the re-forestation of the planet --

for global decisionmaking and global community --

an end to the era of (national) citystates joosting at the ends of their murderous lances, aka the military 'intelligence'-agency, at the direction of the global Corporate State.

Jock, you can sit at our table anytime!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KZvL2N0bXhE

That George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and cronies WOULD perpetrate 9-11 in order to aggrandize thier power, ala the Reichstag fire incident (their playbook - the historical parallels are scary), is obvious to anyone with their eyes open.

That Bush, Cheney et al DID in fact use 9-11 as an excuse to aggrandize their power at the expense of everything decent in this country and the world is a truth that people with their eyes open also recognize.

That Bush, Cheney et all actually DID plan and pull off 9-11, however, is hard to believe. Why? Because 9-11 required competence, something 7 years of these guys - not to mention their entire careers before 9-11 - proves to anyone with their eyes open that they utterly lack.

What Bush, Cheney et all have is a well-oiled political machine that is based on combining a tiny, corrupt core of money interests with a large block of proven idiot voters, namely the evangelical right.By pandering to the evangelical right, they know they never have to do anything that makes sense, or suffer scrutiny by their base - because their base, as its very acceptance of the tenets of evangelical Christianity shows, is incapable of critical thought. That's why they are impervious to scandal. Meanwhile, their corrupt money cronies work behind the scenes in order to steal elections so that they can shift our tax dollars to their pockets, via disastrous wars, "privatization," no bid contracts, etc.

By the way, if anyone still doubts that the Republicans have been stealing elections, the U.S. Attorney scandal ought to be waking you up.

Jesus! What absolute bollocks!

Photo opportunities for the womams?

what lucky men ...

they were!

You asked "what kind of a Father would do THAT"? The Father Creator who wanted to "birth" (creations all failed Him)the incorruptable seed, His seed through his Son, into us that we can be His children, having His Spirit IN us once we are born again. Proverbs shows the Feminine Side of Yahwey, "I, WISDOM" which is the Mind of Christ.

I think we found our next candidate for the Men of Ojai calendar!

Resurrect THE truth!

May the Holy Ones, whose pupils we aspire to become ...
allow us to speak the Truth. Show us the Light we seek,
give us the strong aid of compassion and wisdom.

wow ... yes.

give us the strength to let the love, truth, respect -- childlike growing -- return!

inspired by your example, Jock, and honoring the truth your voice carries, started a discussion group on the topic:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Seven-Seven

of the silliness we have concealed from ourselves, and the wonder we our now revealing!

[in particular that a repeat of 9/11 is NOT re-enacted in 7/7 -- and that a dialog shall spread of what IS this spiritual tsunami we are to experience, ARE experiencing!]

all the devas dancing!

Millennium Twain

This thread is sweet. Thanks to Sacrifice for Elton and to mary for ELP; and to Millenium for 7/7 which I'll investigate when I can figure out how.

I think Anon is too kind re 911. The Bushites are fronts for the international banker cartel mafia (see Money Masters and From Freedom to Fascism). The arguments from stupidity and that 911 gave the elites an "excuse" are insupportable from the evidence. The masters of this world are not that dumb; they will dump the bushleaguers when the time comes who are just "pawns in their game." 911 was one of their moves, and it was successful, including the obvious dumb bushers. This struggle goes far up into the spiritual spheres of influence.

Tully presents the masculine side of the story. The Father sacrifices his son out of love for us and thereby saves us. There are many things wrong with this patriarchic version, not the least of which is the idea that someone needs to be saved, which is a set up for the ultimate power grab by the elites and disempowering the sheeple to get them herded in the church steeple so they can be fleeced by city hall down the street.

I turn the tables on the patriarchic spun fable and tell herstory from a womam's [spelling intentional] point of view. I've written a book on it called "The Lover Government" which is not for the frail hearted or weak minded. Womam or Feminine Wisdom (as Tally notes) is the Source of pleasure and attraction. Indeed, "what a lucky man he was," because of the Lover who motivated him. The man in shining armour didn't sacrifice himself for honor and glory, country and king as much as he did it to prove his love for his womam (or in the modern vernacular, "get the chicks"). The "white horses" and "ladies by the score" are male fantasies with a core truth. Womam is the Source of All. We have lost sight of that because of the rewrite of history/his-story by the patriarchs.

There was no historical person called Jesus. That fable is like an historical novel which was not "novel" in the ancient world. It was a commonly used political, educational and recreational art. If you read between the lines, you can "see" the womam consciousness in the Jesus story. "She'sus" taught love, a womam's virtue, loved womem (and was condemned by the patriarchs for it), loved Mary Magdalene (Magna-Line, great blood line, not a place name), spoke of blood and water (womam's flow at menstruation and ovulation), self-referred as source of rivers of living water (vaginal ejaculatory fluids), loving the Beloved disciple, John the Beloved, and on and on. A womam centered thealogy (correct spelling) and religion was anathema to the patriarchs and so it was violently repressed. Salvation will only come through womem as all life, including men, does. "What a lucky man he is" when man discovers the womam inside him, anima Jung called her. Men are greatly needed as sword bearers of womem's truth but their consciousness must be raised by womem. When Jesus resurrected (had an erection), the first person he saw was Mary Magdalene, his lover (in the garden, hint, hint), and mother of the "great bloodline, magna-line".

There is an interesting parallel between Christ and Krishna (Christa and Crishna). Anyone familiar with the Hare Krishna version will notice how feminine Krishna appears. If you get deep into Krishna consciousness, you will discover that Radha is the heart of it. In other words, a womam is again at the core of religion. I was raised Catholic and was a priest so I know a lot more about Christology than I do about the Vedas but I suspect that the patriarchs turned the Krishna story around like they turned the Christ story around. The Lover Government places a womam's consciousness as its centerpiece and powersource. Man comes from womam. There is no absolute equality in nature; that is a mental construct, presently touted by men to get womem into the work force so they can tax them and get children into daycare so they can be indoctrinated. Womem and men are equal according to the politically correct propaganda but this is not the case in nature. Womem are superior, according to the law of nature. In the clip by ELP, "no one could save him so he laid down and died." That was until the womam we see came and laid on him (euphemistically had sex with him). He then had a resurrection/erection like Jesus. That, my friends, is salvation. As Elton sings, it was no "sacrifice at all." The image of Jesus on the cross has a lot of truth in it but not the brain washing, power cons of the patriarchs. The cross is a phallic symbol piercing the cosmic body of womam; when the soldier pierced She'sus side with a lance, blood and water flowed out from her vulva-heart. The gospel writers were not as dumb as we are; they toppled the Roman empire with a She'sus story. 911 is also part of their game; it's a set up that will gore the side of patriarchy, like the thorn in Paul's side. As Paul of Tarsus said: there are these three: faith, hope and love but the greatest of these is love. If he were here today, he might say: there are these three: money, power and sex but the greatest of these is sex. The love sex is womam. Come on, men, admit it. The knights of old did. That's why they sacrificed themselves for the holy grail, which is nothing else than woman's womb, or the womam herself, under the cover of the Jesus story. Remember the "eat my body and drink my blood" teaching? What do you think that refers to?

Anyway, I guess I got carried away and just broke my resolution to be more brief. In brief, I love you all. Did I just say that? Must have been my anima.

'Truth is a pathless land'. We cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path.

oh ho! Jiddu Krishnamurti is it?

just a short note to our public readership -- the topic of this thread by Jock has been the subject of a private (heated?) discussion by the OjaiPost authors.

unfortunately, you know group email and the internet, the differing communications have NOT yet resulted in a clear decision or consensus on what we are even saying to each other, let alone what we should say of our private dialog here publicly on the Ojai Post.

hopefully some, harmonious, idea of it will be revealed tomorrow!

Millennium Twain

humility ...

the greatest learning for each of us ...

revealed in our inclusion of the whole, the contributions from each of the OjaiPost authors.

becoming ten, a hundred - a mere twenty-six? -- times greater in that chorus of the DIALOG ...

reaffirming.

~~

strength ...

the leadership, from the centre, of Tyler Suchman ...

the example of unswerving mindfulness.

~~

a question of numbers, and sources ...

a total of $50 Trillion netted in the 9/11 stock action? $49 Trillion? $51 Trillion? what about all those spare hundreds of billions?! where do we get the true dope, and the whom of the recipients, revealing the money trail?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Reginald+Howe+US+District+Court

a matter of public record, from the SEC (Securities Exchange Commisson) and the US District Court!