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Thanks for posting this. I've felt for a long time that 911 is the key that opens up understanding of what is really happening in this world. This information is where's it's at. I'm going to study your links, and appreciate your keeping this issue on the table. I believe understanding and dealing with what you are bringing forward here is THE most important thing we can do for the planet now. Most everything else is just a distraction. Thanks too to Tyler for doing this service. I look forward to more information along these lines, especially in understanding the money aspect.

you honour our family and our planet, Dennis ...

in walking the path of truth, caring, respect, patience, nature ...

not indulging in political partisan-ship, power-seeking truth-twisting!

the above named 'money-changers' were led by JPMorganChase who alone skimmed 30 TRILLION dollars from the marketplace -- legally stealing from businesses and pensions across North America and the World --

by staging a market collapse, and coordinating a Hedge fund using Derivatives to capture a THOUSANDFOLD leverage on their investment of some mere $30 Billions.

at the same time, they removed fifty floors of evidence and witnesses (their offices in the Towers) to save themselves from the largest antitrust insider trading lawsuit in world history.

Hedge funders, those playing the Bear market, are the ones who OWN the Exchanges and Trading Institutions and media and corporations and thus can collapse the marketplace at any time of their chosing to steal the savings and property and capitol gains of all the rest of the population who are forced to play by the law, as serfs and victims of those who OWN the legal system and the governments.

time for a change, where all the communications and enterprise take place in the public sector ... no longer in the Security State sector.

for all our relations,

the air we breath,

water we drink,

life ...

Miilennium/Dennis,

I have no doubt you’ll get there on your own, but do not forget the freemasons, knights of templar, or that ol' stalwart the international Jewish banking conspiracy…

You go boys!!!

no conspiracy

not banks alone, not jews alone, not knights or freemasons alone ...

in New Zealand, I only knew of it weeks in advance, but the web discussions I posted above started a year before the event.

the majority of the global corporate/banking was involved -- had to be, as everyone who could read and write in those days ... everyone who followed the marketplace ... knew what was up and were placing themselves to profit from it.

the scham was launched during the Clinton Administration, with their participation and that of the Clinton Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve.

obviously the millions of lawyers, brokers, intelligence operatives and military personnel involved did NOT know the whole of what was going down ... that information would have been known by a much lesser number ...

those who reaped the trillions of dollars rather than the millions ..

our blood .

To blame 911 on a specific nationality or religious persuasion is a distracting piece of misinformation.

Those who created 911 and the subsequent war on terror are beings who carry a malignant type of consciousness. They use religion and politics in their game of power. At the top of this evil pyramid there are probably just a few. But on the lower levels millions benefit in terms of money and power.

Here in Ojai, we are near the bottom of the money pyramid, but we are involved and benefit from the vast wealth extraction scheme which starts at the top. We are all addicted to the money scam to some degree.

I am trying to understand what is happening. Posts like this help because they are illuminating the heart of evil. It is very scary but fear is one of the beasts that must be confronted to get free.

Dennis: I have a feeling j. grant was being facetious and commenting on the lunacy of your claims....

yes Dennis,

the fear that the vast population experiences with this subject is due to their need to blame, judge and punish. [and awareness of their complicity and 'guilt' in the affair.].

it is only in forgiving (ourselves and others) -- leaving behind the era of abuse, punishment, torture -- that we evole into the age of knowing and growing.

in recognizing that today, everyone involved was doing their best for the world ... the best they knew how.

those at the top of the power/resource ladder are no more bestial (or ethical) than those at the bottom ... only the consequences of their actions (good and ill and all) are that much greater.

and so too the changes we are now experiencing, globally-orchestrating ...

Millennium

I hope j.grant was being facetious, but just in case she/he wasn't, I made my point.

As to the "lunacy" of my claims, there is plenty of evidence to back them up. The real lunacy is accepting the government's cover up of 911 truth.

I agree with Twain's analysis, as I understand it. Those at the top and bottom of consciousness evolution are each playing their parts in this game of life. Passing judgements can be helpful or not, depending on the quality of the consciousness making them. I try to operate within the framework of Love, so that everything is an expression of that, even the beast (or evil).

I value posts like this because they are important to my consciousness. They are growth producing for me.

Incidently, I will be speaking to the Ojai city council tonight, probably several times. Why? First, it is growth producing, like participating in this and other discussions, and second, there is a link between local and global politics.

911 was lunacy (although rationalized) on the global level, and hopefully the truth will continue to out. And there is also lunacy on the local level. I find it helpful for deep understanding to follow the money trail, and to connect that with the higher path of Love.

M. Twain makes economic sense and takes poetic license. I seem to recall that Plato feared the poets because they tended to upset the political applecart, at least the one he promoted.

M. Twain,

I'm curious - What SPECIFICALLY did you know of BEFOREHAND in New Zealand? Your assertion reminds me of the rumor/urban legend of LBJ's plane being diverted back to DC BEFORE the bullets shot through Daley Plaza. Did that ever REALLY happen? Not sure...

My feeling is that if you are going to make such sweeping claims (and are open to healthy discussion) you'd better know how to defend your position empirically, historically, intellectually, and so forth.

And to take "poetic licence" might be appealing to those of O'Leary's ilk, to coin a phrase...it just ain't "gonna cut the mustard" in this day and age in a discussion of this magnitude. To be quite frank, many of us are wishing these types of posts (i.e the complexities of 9/11) would be conducted in language that we can all understand and engage in.

I've loved many of your posts in the past, but I just have to call you out on this one and ask for more (because as much as Dennis finds these websites you've referenced "enlightening", I'm kind of left scratching my head - as in "where's the beef"?)

Would love to hear more from you with regards to what personal evidence and insight you have up your sleeve. Come on - don't be stingy!

And of course it goes without saying, that I would appreciate not being LABLED in any way shape or form simply because I've entered into a debate on the subject. Mr. Leary just may have cornerd the market on that.

Look forward to hearing back...

Yikes - Should learn to proofread better. Of course, I meant Dealey Plaza but most importantly - my apologies, Dennis, for mangling your last name. I know an O'Leary and it just popped out.

sorry, LTOR,

I do not recognize your acronym.

And I have no position on this ... there is nothing to convince anyone of.

Those who have the minimum education on how the financial markets work ... and can read English ... know what went down. Again, here some URLs:

"Let Slip The Dogs of War"
http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_00/hamilton122500.html

"The JPM Derivatives Monster"
http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_01/hamilton091001.html

"JPM Derivatives Monster Grows"
http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_02/hamilton010702.html

There are of course hundreds of thousands of other URLs and discussion groups on how day-trading and hedge funds and derivatives and leverages work.

Those who know, know. [Those who lead lives of caring,
nurturing, respect.]

Others play political fraud/power games ...

Millennium

There is plenty of hard evidence and circumstantial evidence available. It's just not possible to argue the evidence here. I read Michael Ruppert's "Crossing the Rubicon," watched "Loose Change," and "911 Mysteries," and related documentaries like "Freedom to Fascism" and have read much info on the net that appears to me to be overwhelming against the government. The evidence is so convincing that I can now safely take to poetic license. That's the way I have come. Others may have a different path and come to a different conclusion.

Incidently, I spoke to the Ojai council last night about many things, one of which was a request that they make a resolution against the war.

Regarding my name, Leary is the original and O'Leary means "son of" so I'm both a Leary and an O'Leary.

Sorry, I don't know how to add a link, so I thought I would just copy and paste a few words from Noam Chomsky on the subject:

"I am not persuaded by the assumption that much documentation and other evidence has been uncovered. To determine that, we'd have to investigate the alleged evidence. Take, say, the physical evidence. There are ways to assess that: submit it to specialists -- of whom there are thousands -- who have the requisite background in civil-mechanical engineering, materials science, building construction, etc., for review and analysis; and one cannot gain the required knowledge by surfing the internet. In fact, that's been done, by the professional association of civil engineers. Or, take the course pursued by anyone who thinks they have made a genuine discovery: submit it to a serious journal for peer review and publication. To my knowledge, there isn't a single submission".

" One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work"

"...the 9/11 movement is diverting energy and attention away from far more serious crimes -- and in this case crimes that are quite real and easily demonstrated".

Dennis - with all the research that you claim to have done, you must know that within the "9/11 Movement", there are several theories....So when you claim that 9/11 was "an inside job" which one are you asserting - that the government (through secret machinations) helped train members of Al Quaida, that they knew the planes were heading into the WTC but failed to act (i.e. scramble military jets), that the planes flew into the WTC but a series of US-planted bombs were set off to bring the towers down (controlled-demolition), that the Mossad orchestrated it, that there were no planes at all... Are you a LIHOP or a MIHOP?

Thanks for your post, LTOR.

I am aware of Noam Chomsky and have read what you posted, but can't remember where. I disagree with his priorities. He places his work as primary which I understand discloses the general immorality and unreasonableness of the secret agencies of the US government over the years.

He thinks 911 is a distraction. I disagree. 911 is the centerpiece of truth in these times. It is the key that unlocks the secrets Chomsky is also trying to uncover and publicize. I have the feeling it's an ego thing with Noam. He's spent most of his life developing his approach and the 911 truth movement makes his work secondary, and relegates it to the background. He doesn't like it. His work is great but it is secondary next to 911 truth.

I concur with your assessment of my position except for the last two points. Mossad certainly knew about it but I believe our own intelligence agencies planned it, probably with Mossad input. There were planes that hit the Twin Towers but no plane that hit the Pentagon.

I don't know what the acronyms LIHOP and MIHOP mean.

I agree that there are many 911 theories, the official report being one of them. I believe the government purposely drives many obviously outlandish theories to discredit the reasonable ones.

No plane hit the Pentagon? Huh?

Noam Chomsky?

"No there there."

A big zero, representing the Corporate State.

Nothing more than an apologist for the political left/right status quo.

Convenient to quote, if you don't have an ethos or an understanding of your own. [Or if your intention is the same as his, to promote dis-info ... i.e., again, the gangster status quo.]

Millennium

Noam Chomsky representing the Corporate State?!?!

Funny how DL (in posts past) flippantly told readers to go read Chomsky if we didn't like what he was asserting. Obviously, he assumed that he (NC) would jump on the conspiracy bandwagon and now that he finds this isn't the case, he blames Chomsky's ego?!?! Astonishingly cavalier (especially taking into consideration the utter lack of critical thinking skills and analytical abiltiy of DL). Knock yourself out if you choose to glean information solely from the internet. Speaking of that, DL, which enlightening piece of "research" are you basing your claims of no plane hitting the Pentagon?

Part of my "ethos", Millenium , is to feel that sweeping, over-reaching claims without substantiation are dangerous (as are people who think they know more than they do - and then pontificate about their "feelings" and their under-developed belief systems in a public forum. Sorry Dennis, but many of us bit our tongues for months reading your posts which got increasingly more inflammatory and undisciplined as time went on. I truly believe you set yourself up for all the criticism you find leveled at you.)

I decided to challenge Dennis' claims a while back for two reasons. 1) I believe Chomsky's and many others' assertions that this movement has diluted the criticism and activism desparately needed to decipher the truth about the actual crimes that the current administration is perpetuating on the world. And 2) because of several groups of young men in Ojai (and I wrote about this before) who believed without doubt that Jews were told not to show up at the WTC that fateful morning. Guess where they got that information? From careful, intellectual reasoning and studiously pouring over all the facts? No - from posts very similar to these...Add those rumours to a lack of intellectual maturity and discipline and even the slightest predilection towards neo-conservative/Nazi tendencies and you've got a very dangerous emotional cocktail, don't you think?

Is it really too much to ask that if one makes such claims, one should be at the ready to back it up?

I apologize that I was slightly baffled by your posts, Millenium. Your original post referenced "those who orchestrated 911", the second "no conspiracy" and in yet another "I have no
position on this"...

I read the articles you posted which asserted collusion to drive down the price of gold by the government, investment banks and world monetary organizations. In no way did I see it as slam-dunk evidence that 9/11 was "an inside job". I just asked for more from you, that's all. Sorry, if my "ethos" and "understanding" doesn't jive with yours. But in all do respect, I'm the one asking the questions not asserting things as facts - as Dennis seems very comfortable to do. He is beginning to admit, however, that he is still trying to learn, form his theories, work out his "eternal conflicts", etc. I sincerely applaud him on his honesty. I just plead with him to think a bit more carefully, do a little more research and do some self-editing before he posts...

well said LTOR...

I do recommend Chomsky for what he has to offer, but maintain he's missing the point about 911.

We all express the truth as we see it. It is clear to me from what I've read and seen that our own government perpetrated 911.

Those of you who want to support the government's position, fine. It's a free country.

blessings Dennis,
and all our gentle "Goddess Moon" Valley family,
and our great global community of readership neverending!

for those who are not yet taught on the workings of the global stock/bond/futures markets and exchanges ... if the numbers themselves, $50 Trillion, of the 911 Heist are still difficult to fathom for you ...

think of a thousand dollars (1,000) given to you ... then think of it given to a thousand people (a million dollars, $1,000,000) ... then think of it given to a million people (a billion dollars, $1,000,000,000) ...

then think of it given to a billion people (a trillion dollars, $1,000,000,000,000) ...

then think of it as fifty thousand dollars -- stolen from you overnight!

think of your indebtedness ... loss of home or business or family ...

and multiply that by a billion people worldwide!

that is what 911 was ... $50 Trillion dollars stolen from the billion of our family members overnight.

[several times the annual budget of the ENTIRE WORLD!]

and the resulting servitude by those billion family members -- to their new corporate and banker bosses (owners) -- again overnight!

reflect on what servitude and power means to yourself and your family and community ... and how you have observed its bestiality in the years and decades of your own life.

and speak out about it, and how we can bring about its ending during these coming years of our awakening to self-respect, and true service to our beloved families/communities/planet.

with all our relations,

Millennium Twain

I can't understand how but I intuit that you are right. Money is the motivation that would explain 911.

Money is power and power is power over women and the earth.

Money, power, sex but the greatest of these is sex. Woman consciousness is the threat to the patriarchic system. Did you know the CIA funded Ms. magazine? Why? To promote women's lib in order to tax another half of the population, and get their kids into daycare where they could be conditioned. Can't remember where I read that but it makes sense.

No it doesn't.

However...

I would urge anyone who believes the story of 9/11 that we have received from the mainstream media is more or less accurate to take a look here: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com

Not a bunch of arm-chair conspiracy theorists, but senior members of the U.S. Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement,
and Government establishment.

When I first started to question the "official conspiracy" I checked out Chomsky based on his reputation for political subtextual analysis. His first point, that a false flag operation of this magnitude would be incredible, is valid, but his claim that such a thing would be insignificant anyway makes me doubt his sincerity. It is disappointing that he has chosen not to engage with the evidence.

The nearest thing we have to a peer-reviewed investigation is the deeply compromised 9/11 Commission Report: www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
Forced upon the Bush administration by relatives of 9/11 victims, the Chairman recently wrote a book describing his frustration with the repeated lies he received from Pentagon officials and the Federal Aviation Administration.